What to look for when dealing with Scientology
In Scientology, "Black Propaganda" is used in an attempt to
destroy social values of real or imagined enemies and to
deprive them of friends and support. All Scientology needs
in this endeavor is an enemy.
Scientologists belong to a group which is constantly on the
look-out for the source of an imagined world conspiracy. One of
the locations of world conspiracy, according to L. Ron Hubbard,
is Leipzig, Germany. By the way, and this is sheer coincidence,
Leipzig is also the site of the presentation of the Alternative
Charlemagne Award to Scientology opponent Bob Minton.
One of the diverse ways in which Scientology has arguably become
the most despised religion of the last century is its use of
"Black Propaganda," as defined in detail by its founder and
sole prophet, L. Ron Hubbard in his "PR Series Nr. 18 of 21
November 1972." That is one of the secret documents which
Scientology uses the copyright law to keep off the internet,
so I am just going to use parts of it in paraphrase. Scientology
certainly does not have the copyright on black propanda; it is
used by all cults and is known in the political world, which
is where it belongs, as "negative campaigning."
So when a Scientology opponent, such as Bob Minton for the time being, is
shown appreciation for his work in supporting certain social values (see
http://alt-charlemagne-award.de), anti-critical response can be expected
to come from the general direction of cult supporters.
So far it has been insinuated/stated that:
1. The award announcer is being paid by Bob Minton for the award.
2. Bob Minton is a criminal.
3. The award is supported by person with a record.
4. The award makes no sense, i.e., has no value.
5. Since Lisa McPherson Trust members support the award,
Bob Minton is really just giving the award to himself.
6. Since some members of the award committee are members of a
group in Germany, the award committee is just a front
group for somebody else.
7. The award committee consists of anti-cultists issues worthless awards.
8. The award committee supports genocide by not supporting
Clinton in Kosovo, the recipient of the Aachen Charlemagne award.
(I nominate the writer of that one for the most creative use of illogic award).
Beginning of paraphrases from L. Ron Hubbard, founder and
sole prophet of Scientology from PR series 18:
Black Propaganda" (black = bad or derogatory,
propaganda = spread claims or ideas with emphasis) is the
expression which is used to destroy public opinion or
respect of persons, corporations or nations.
It is a practical tool of forces who are trying to destroy real
or imagined enemies or who want to obtain dominance in
an area.
This technology attempts to so disparage a reputation that
the person, corporation or nation is refused every right
through "general agreement." It is then possible to destroy
the person, corporation or nation with a smaller operation if
Black Propaganda has not already done that.
Malicious and mendacious gossip of old wives was the
earlier form of this tactic; it was so evil that, in some areas,
they were put in the public stocks (neck chains) or driven
out of the city.
In modern times, there is no keeping Black Propaganda in
check. Legal proceedings for slanderous gossip are too
expensive and too difficult to carry out, and the press law is
so misused that anybody can use this kind of campaign.
All you need is an enemy.
[...]
One is always running into people in society who do not
understand very much. That expresses itself as sort of an
evil joy about things. These people forward on slanderous
rumors very easily. There are a great number of these
people in an uneducated society. Since they are
not able to read, the greatest part of knowledge has been
denied them. And since they do not recognize very many
words, they do not understand much of what is said to
them.
But that does not just apply to the illiterate.
What they do not understand, they make up for in
imagination.
Therefore such people do not only listen to slander, but
they falsify and pervert it even more.
In this manner can a rumor that has no true basis go through
society.
[...]
No person, society or nation has a completely clean slate.
That has been reserved for saints. In their childhood people
stole a couple of apples, broke a window or two, dinged a
fender, took a joy ride with a "borrowed" vehicle or took a
few pennies or a lollipop although it did not belong to them.
[...]
All these things can make someone susceptible to attacks
on his career or regarding his past.
[... In the next segment, it almost appears as if L. Ron Hubbard
was describing himself, Scientology and Scientologists ...]
The world is full of insane people.
The fundamental characteristic of extreme insanity is
continuing attack: attacks on everything, attacks on persons
or things which contain no threat.
Serious, not minor, crimes can be found at the root of such
urges.
The attacker has an evil intention in life. He belongs to the
dead, not to the living. And his harvest is a harvest of death.
Such a person has the feeling that he cannot be secure until
all others are dead.
Their evil intentions take many forms and means of
expression. The end product is the same - Death.
When an attacker has gone too far, then he is himself
attacked. Long, bitter quarrels and wars between nations
are both the mutual exchange of violence.
If an attacker does not have the physical means to annihilate
others, and if his own goals would fail if they were to be
exposed, then the attacks are conducted covertly.
He uses verbal propaganda, the press and other channels of
communication to inject his poison. He hides himself as the
source and he has his verbal attacks appear to be logical,
real or proven.
[...]
That is Black Propaganda. It serves to humiliate real or
imagined enemies, to decrease their income to deprive them
of friends and support.
---- End of paraphrases from L. Ron Hubbard, founder and
sole prophet of Scientology from PR series 18. ----
----
Summary of selected anti-critical messages:
May 8, "Mike McKean" asked if the announcer of the award will
receive an increase in pay from Bob Minton.
May 10, "harold4567" asked what kind of activity (referring to the
award committee) would like to be supported by [Anton] Hein, whom
cults, especially Scientology, like to point out has a record in
California.
May 11, "Dirk" who said he was from "East Germany" stated that
the announcer of the award had "no clue whatsoever" and that
Leipzig was the birthplace of psychiatry. (Scientology hopes to
be viewed as a replacement for psychiatry so it publishes much
negative campaigning in that regard.)
May 12, "dtomasino" changed the subject line to "human mange" award
and asked if Bob Minton would be taken into custody in Leipzig for
crimes [which Scientology is busy manufactoring on his behalf].
May 13-23, interlude: Scientology members have to go borrow money to go
see "Battlefield Earth," which has been described some German critics as
"cult psycho-torture" ;-)
May 24, "minton_buddy" asks if it is not "kind of disingenuous not
to mention that the group giving the award has mutual members with
the Lisa McPherson Trust?" (Bob Minton founded LMT).
May 25, Cornelius Krasel worte, "I have no evidence for my allegation,
but it appears to me that the 'European-American citizens committee for
human rights and religious freedom in the USA' is as much a front group
for anti-cultists as Narconon is a front group for Scientology.
Therefore, the prize is rather worthless."
May 26, Cornelius Krasel wrote, "The supporters are mostly a.r.s.
readers, from what I can see. The "committee" seems to be an outgrowth
(I hope you prefer this to "front group") of the "Berliner Dialog" group
(of which Mr. Gandow is incidentally the leader). I concede that the
term "anti-cultists" may have been a bad choice but I couldn't think of
anything better at that moment.
May 26, Diane Richardson wrote, "What has Robert S. Minton done to
render "distinguished service on behalf of West European unification,
humanity and world peace"? and "Actually, the Karlspreis is awarded
to those who have furthered Western European unity. It is not presented
as a human rights award. While you might find Clinton's efforts to stop
aggression in Kosovo something to laugh about, not everyone shares your
contemptuous attitude towards ending genocide."
---
Texts of anti-critical messages:
---
From: "Mike McKean Sr" <mikemckeansr@earthlink.net>
Will that post get you a raise in pay from Bob?
Mike
Joe's Garage <swatron@xenu.net> wrote in article
---
From: harold4567@my-deja.com
If you check out this link
http://www.alt-charlemagne-award.de/
you will find that some people still add Anton Hein onto their lists of
supporters. What kind of activity would like to be supported by Hein,
one might ask...
---
From: dirkwjensen@my-deja.com
In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000509220153.112D-100000@darkstar.zippy>,
Joe's Garage <swatron@xenu.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mike McKean Sr wrote:
> Minton will be presented with the Alternate Charlemagne Award in Leipzig,
This, quite frankly, makes no sense to me. I am from East Germany
originally, and this comparison is totally stupid. You obviously have no
clue whatsoever.
The explanation about Leipzig having been chosen due to being the birth
site of modern days psychology (Wundt) is a lot more logical, especially
since half of the people connected to this award seem to have been psych
patients at one point or another or are still on psych drugs today. I
guess these puppets will feel more at home in Leipzig...
Dirk
---
From: dtomasino@my-deja.com
In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000511195335.112C-100000@darkstar.zippy>,
Joe's Garage <swatron@xenu.net> wrote:
> Scientology is a totalist organization which has refined marketing, PR and
Africa News
May 1st 2000
"So far the second part of the investigation revealed that there were
actually no Nigerians involved in the conspiracy with the IMF and World
Bank that seems to have been colluding with Robert Minton and a few of
his front companies and individuals who manipulated the Nigerian debt
being traded on the secondary market. These two American bankers
conspired with numerous American and international banks to run billions
of dollars of Nigerian funds through this secret mechanism making
hundreds of millions of dollars in undisclosed fees and commissions
while diverting Nigerian funds into their own secret Swiss and Austrian
accounts.
Are there positive aspects of the debt buy-back scheme? De Monte says:
"They did retire a lot of debt that Nigeria was under the burden of,
however the problem is that they did not do it as per the terms of the
contracts with the banks and debt holders that were originally involved
and defrauded by the pair. They were involved in one of the most
lucrative insider trading programmes".
The IMF and the World Bank were involved too? DeMonte: "The very same
IMF and World Bank that are currently big news with various scandals
being exposed worldwide. It's the same IMF and World Bank everybody
falsely believes is this great big wonderful organisation that
financially assists Third World countries in emerging markets and
development programme. These financial institutions (IMF and World Bank)
were set up to suppress Third World countries and keep them under
control with money from the rich capitalist institutions that want to
control the human and natural resources in these developing nations".
"Minton was quoted in the newsletter, Africa Confidential (31 March
2000) that he had "tacit approval" from the IMF and the World Bank to
secretly defraud creditors and buy back Nigerian debt, both activities
are prohibited due to the terms of the contracts that clearly state
Nigeria has to treat all its debt equally so they can negotiate properly
and above board in debt restructuring matters. However, what they did
was to set up a secret mechanism so that they could go round and buy up
certain specific debt, some real, some manufactured, to launder vast
amounts of money while getting capital out of Nigeria. It was a very
sophisticated operation run through certain bankers. For example, Chase
Manhattan New York, Discount Bank and Trust Geneva, Bank Austria, Bank
Boston, Morgan & Stanley Investments, GML (Growth Management Limited
owned and operated by Robert Minton in London) to name but a few".
Fashanu interjects: "I am pleased to inform you that (Nigeria)
government has acted swiftly and purposefully to freeze looted funds
identified in our report as belonging to Mr. Robert Minton and others".
In Africa Confidential, Minton stated that Bank Austria formerly
Osterreische Landerbank in London and Vienna was a large participant in
the scheme along with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Morgan
Guarantee in New York, and the Bank of International Settlements in
Basle, Switzerland. We are now able to provide a comprehensive report
that actually show the conspiracy between the banks and certain
individuals."
---
From: minton_buddy@my-deja.com
In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000522182333.114B-100000@darkstar.zippy>,
Swatron <ronsmuerto@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Robert Minton, who has been championing their cause in recent years,
Isn't it kind of disingenuous not to mention that the group giving the
award has mutual members with the Lisa McPherson Trust? Seems to me
like Bob is giving the award to himself. But I'm his buddy, I can see
beyond the propaganda.
Bob's buddy
---
From: Cornelius Krasel <krasel@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Joe's Garage <swatron@xenu.net> wrote:
I have no evidence for my allegation, but it appears to me that the
"European-American citizens committee for human rights and religious
freedom in the USA" is as much a front group for anti-cultists as
Narconon is a front group for Scientology. Therefore, the prize is
rather worthless. Imagine Hubbard having received a prize from
Narconon for his discoveries on drug addiction - everybody would
start pointing out that this doesn't mean anything. The same seems
to hold true for this "prize".
--Cornelius.
---
From: Cornelius Krasel <krasel@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Thomas Gandow <gandow@is.in-berlin.de> wrote:
The supporters are mostly a.r.s. readers, from what I can see. The
"committee" seems to be an outgrowth (I hope you prefer this to
"front group") of the "Berliner Dialog" group (of which Mr. Gandow
is incidentally the leader). I concede that the term "anti-cultists"
may have been a bad choice but I couldn't think of anything better
at that moment.
Well, I don't mind. I just want to put the thing into perspective.
--Cornelius.
---
From: referen@bway.net
On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:58:34 +0200, tilman@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman
Hausherr) wrote:
>On Thu, 25 May 2000 20:53:42 GMT, referen@bway.net wrote in
What has Robert S. Minton done to render "distinguished service on
behalf of West European unification, humanity and world peace"?
>Like the alternative nobel
There is no "alternative nobel prize." There's an Ignobel Prize,
however. I think the "Kid Charlemagne Award" would be a
more appropriate distinction for Minton.
>There is an official
Actually, the Karlspreis is awarded to those who have furthered
Western European unity. It is not presented as a human rights
award. While you might find Clinton's efforts to stop aggression in
Kosovo something to laugh about, not everyone shares your
contemptuous attitude towards ending genocide.
Diane Richardson
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Joe Cisar:
http://cisar.org/rfs0100.htm
Award site:
http://alt-charlemagne-award.de
Why would Gottfried Helnwein, one of the world's leading Scientologists,
lie? See
http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News/has00.htm
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Sat, 27 May 2000 07:35:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Human Rights Award for Bob Minton
Date: 08 May 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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> ...
> Germany on June 3, 2000. The city of Leipzig was chosen because it was
> the site of the first in a series of demonstrations in former East Germany
> which presaged the fall of the Berlin wall. This is significant, among
> other reasons, because of similarities between the "unofficial staff
> members" of the former East German Ministry of Security, and the "field
> staff members" of Scientology's Office for Special Affairs today.
Subject: Re: More on Human Mange Award for Bob Minton or will they take him in to custody in Leipzeg?
Date: 12 May 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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> staged events into a black art. Victims of Scientology and their
> relatives, however, will be happy to hear that one of the most active
> supporters of their cause, Bob Minton, will be receiving a human rights
> award for his efforts on their behalf.
>
> Minton will be presented with the Alternate Charlemagne Award in Leipzig,
> Germany on June 3, 2000. The city of Leipzig was chosen because it was
> the site of the first in a series of demonstrations in former East Germany
> which presaged the fall of the Berlin wall. This is significant, among
> other reasons, because of similarities between the "unofficial staff
> members" of the former East German Ministry of Security, and the "field
> staff members" of Scientology's Office for Special Affairs today.
>
> The award site is
http://www.alt-charlemagne-award.de.
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: Re: Scientology opponent receiving award in Germany
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:31:06 GMT
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>will receive a human rights award for his efforts on their behalf.
>Minton will be presented with the Alternative Charlemagne Award on June
>3 in Leipzig, Germany from a German based group called the
>European-American Citizens Committee for Human Rights and Religious
>Freedom in the USA. >... and has since
> expanded to include representatives from several communities around
>the world which keep watch on Scientology's activities.
Subject: Re: Bob Minton gets Human Rights Award in Germany
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:36:12 +0200
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> Robert Minton, a man noted for his public opposition to the Scientology
> Organization, will receive the first Alternative Charlemagne Award in the
> Federal Republic of Germany.
Subject: Re: Bob Minton gets Human Rights Award in Germany
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:23:59 +0200
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> Cornelius Krasel schrieb:
>> Joe's Garage <swatron@xenu.net> wrote:
>>> Robert Minton, a man noted for his public opposition to the Scientology
>>> Organization, will receive the first Alternative Charlemagne Award in the
>>> Federal Republic of Germany.
>>
>> I have no evidence for my allegation, but it appears to me that the
>> "European-American citizens committee for human rights and religious
>> freedom in the USA" is as much a front group for anti-cultists as
>> Narconon is a front group for Scientology.
>
> No. Please do not redefine the meaning of "front group".
> A front group is a group where some people or another organisation is
> hiding behind.
> This committee *is* the real thing. All names are disclosed.
> There is nothing *behind* the committee, but there are more and more
> *supporters*, who are also speaking out in their own names and with
> their own names or known aliases.(See the list on
>
http://www.alt-charlemagne-award.de)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Bob Minton gets Human Rights Award in Germany
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:13:12 GMT
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><392d9266.24981424@enews.newsguy.com>:
>
>>What on earth is an "Alternative Charlemagne"? Is this some sort
>>of idiomatic expression that loses all meaning when translated?
>
>It is the Alternative Charlemagne *Award*.
>prize compared to the official nobel prize.
>charlemagne award which goes to Bill Clinton, for his contributions to
>human rights. (hahahaha!!!!)
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