This is a pretty good rant. It comes from a Christian fundamentalist who doesn't like the fact that this occultism is so easily debunked on the International HolySmoke forum. He's so embarrassed by his fellow lunatic fundies that he wants them to shut up and flee the forum least they continue to be exposed as buffoons who do more to damage their own cult than any ten thousand atheists could do.

Pay special attention to the outrageous claims and the accusations about how his intellectual and moral superiors are "close minded." In actual fact fundamentalists of all religions (not just the Christian cult) are repeatedly asked for evidence -- something which hardly smacks of being "close minded." If participants were close minded to outrageous fundamentalist occult claims, we wouldn't be asking them for evidence!

The Leonard Bernier individual mentioned is none other than John Jeanneault himself who routinely spammed the forum with occult babble and refuses to respond to questions. (So much for "close mindedness.")

The Jesse Jones individual mentioned is a one-time long-time participant -- a fundy lawyer who thinks that emotions come from his Christian deity constructs and who demands that the old Soviet Union was "evil" whereas the United States was not; only he couldn't enumerate just how, exactly, the Soviet Union was "evil" in ways the United States isn't.

Date: 13-12-96 (17:55)
From: JOHN JEANNEAULT
  To: ALL CHRISTIANS

This is what I propose. Let us put an end to the HolySmokers fun by no longer posting here. [1] There is nothing of fairness, objectivity, or tolerance within this message area. [2] The goal of the message base is only to ridicule and malign Christ and His followers. [3] The only reason the enemies of Christ post here, is to participate in the roasting and ridicule, not because they are interested in any sort of dialogue or debate with Christians. [4] They are rude, close-minded and arrogant for the most part. To continue posting and "debating" with them is tantamount to exposing the gospel to ridicule and destruction. [5] To continue to post is to exemplify the text which exhorts us not to "cast your pearls before swine". [6]

Jesse Jones, I know you mean well and think that somehow by your presence here, that you will somehow touch their hearts, but no, this will not happen as long as you give them the opportunity to ridicule your faith as a hobby. Absent yourself from them, be "set apart" from them, and devote the time you used to spend composing messages to them, to praying for them. You have been one of the most tolerant and "persistent" Christians in here, but you are not given the least bit of credence by HolySmokers. [7]

ALL CHRISTIANS UNITE....no longer post here...let the word be spread through all the echoes...to all brothers and sisters...that henceforth Christians will no longer post to HOLYSMOKE....and by doing so we will bring about the demise of the beast that is devoted to bringing about the downfall of the followers of Jesus...if such a thing were possible :-). [8] After weeks or months of complaining to each other, without any individuals to ridicule, they will eventually go the way of the DoDo. What say all, can we do it....I think we can if we spread the word through whatever means is available. What a challenge! Can we topple the "Great Holysmoke" by this time next year. Really think about it. [9]

WE CAN DO IT! Let the only messages we post here promote this message, and no longer debate or argue about Jesus or his teachings....their hearts have been hardened, and their eyes have been blinded. To continue to post "Jesus" is to "cast your pearls before the swine"...."shake the dust off your sandals and move on!"

There are many other message areas where one can spread the word, where one is at least tolerated without such ridicule and contempt as is displayed here. [10] The only reason non-believers post here is to take part in the "stoning" of believers. Let us all...of all denominations and none...from the Catholics...to the Pentecostals...the Baptists...the Anglicans..the Steve Winters...the Latter Day Saints...the Mormons...all who I have failed to mention...let us all cease and desist from posting here, except to spread the same message....Christians...of all stripes... people of all denominations and religions....get out! Do not post here any longer...do not become a whipping boy/girl for these anti-god people! [11]

After years of reading and posting here....I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing resembling open-minded, fairness or tolerance here, from those who regularly attack religion. They are unbending, unyielding and unobjective, with no real interest in the concept of God, and are only concerned with baiting believers and doing their best to make fools of them all. [12]

LET US UNITE....LET US REFUSE TO POST HERE ANY LONGER...EXCEPT TO SPREAD THIS MESSAGE. LET US NO LONGER SPREAD OUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE...LET US SPEND OUR TIME POSTING TO OTHER MESSAGE AREAS WHERE THERE IS TOLERANCE, AND EVEN AN AUDIENCE WHICH MAY BE OPEN ENOUGH TO HEAR THE MESSAGE OF CHRIST! LET US SPEND OUR TIME CONSTRUCTIVELY, LET US PROCLAIM HIS MESSAGE WHERE THERE ARE EARS TO HEAR, AND HEARTS TO FEEL! [13]

Leonard Bernier has the right idea!....He no longer argues with them..he only posts the word of God....and ignores the baited hook! Let us all do the same....let us either get out of here altogether...or let us all barrage them with scripture....with no response to the slap on the cheek, except that of quoting more scripture....What say all brothers and sisters? [14]

                    HAAAAA!!!!!VICTORY IN JESUS!!!!!!!.......john!  [15]

• [1] In fact many fundies over the past six years have made appeals to get fellow fundies to shut up and stop embarrassing Christianity. There is a very real need exhibited by fundies to expose their ignorance publicly. All such appeals are doomed to failure.

• [2] Fairness and objectivity are granted apriori. In fact there is that which is scientific and that which is bullshit. Because fundies cling to bullshit and refuse to accept science, they demand that those who don't accept their bullshit are being unfair and unobjective.

• [3] In actual fact the "goals" of HolySmoke are the exposure and ridicule of all deity-oriented religious occultism, not just the most destructive ones.

• [4] Which is why the forum is completely open to everyone. Which is why in the six-year history of HolySmoke only three people have ever been banned from participation -- all for editing other people's postings and for posting excessively-annoying spam.

• [5] Absolutely true. Because mythology is so easily debunked as such.

• [6] The traditional Christian cop-out when the fundy learns the audience is filled with educated people who don't accept outrageous claims without equally outrageous evidence. The all-inclusive escape clause that losers employ to escape the uncomfortable reality that they have no evidence for their outrageous claims and no one takes their occult rants seriously!

• [7] Hardly. Jones thinks that emotions are caused by his gods. He probably thinks that diseases are likewise caused by his gods. When Jones was faced with Ciya -- a fictional construct created by a seven-year-old girl -- who is as equally evidenced as his god constructs, Jones demanded, "Ciya is a blasphemous tool of your cunning." And when faced with continual debunking of his occult superstitions, "It pains my heart to see this blasphemy and hatefulness spread across the world on this electronic medium." Then, when it became clear that deities are not needed for good, productive living, said, "For the most part, atheists simply do not do good and ethical things." When faced with embarrassing questions which prove his deity beliefs to be lies, his cop-out was, "Once more: your question is stupid, and I will not answer it." So much for "persistant."

• [8] Thus we see the real fear here. He knows that membership in the mainstream Christian brand names has been on slow decline for 40 years. He further knows that continual expressions of occult stupidity in the HolySmoke forum in front of those who are so well educated further exposes the lunacy of deity belief. He knows that he and his fellow cultists do far more damage to Christianity than any number of atheists ever could.

• [9] It didn't happen. It can't happen. Fundies are incapable of fleeing the light of truth because they feel the need to mouth off in ignorance to try to "win one" for their gods. No matter the fact that every time they open their yaps to try to salvage the growing list of previous debunkings, they merely add to the pile.

• [10] In fact deity believers are well tolerated in HolySmoke -- it is when they demand that unaffected individuals are somehow connected with their lunatic beliefs that they are asked for evidence of their claims. If they keep the better educated out of their delusional fantasies, they don't usually get asked for evidence to back them up.

• [11] "...anti god people..." One can't be against something one doesn't believe exists. One can't be an "anti god person" any more than one can be an "anti Santa person" when one knows that Santa Claus doesn't exist. We are anti-religion people because we know and understand the origins of and, even more importantly, the history of religion -- something cultists refuse to acknowledge as that means they would be in agreement with intolerable inhuman tyranny. In fact it is the very Christians which visit the forum which prove that religion destroys the ability to think!

• [12] Curiously we routinely ask for information and evidence concerning the occult beliefs of believers. For some mysterious reason they refuse to divulge any testable, falsifiable evidence for their claims. We ask them to reconcile contradictions about their deity constructs and they refuse. So much for "no real interest."

• [13] FLEE! FLEE WITH ME SO WE DON'T CONTINUE TO LOOK LIKE THE IDIOT BUFFOONS WE KNOW WE ARE!!! FLEE WITH ME SO WE DON'T CONTINUE TO SHOW EVERYONE WHAT DEITY BELIEFS CAN AND MOST OFTEN DO TO OTHERWISE NORMAL, HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS!!!

• [14] I say that if you can't convince your idiotic, lunatic brothers and sisters to shut up, try to disrupt the forum with spams you have no interest in debating with your betters.

• [15] "Victory in (sic) Jesus..." by running away. We win when you start thinking for yourself, John. We both lose when you run away and try to hide from the light of truth.

Speaking of Christians showing the educated what religious beliefs have done to them, here's something every Christian should learn:

JOB 13

[4] But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value. [5] O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom. [6] Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. [7] Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? [9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? [10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. [11] Shall not his excellency make you afraid? and his dread fall upon you? [12] Your remembrances are like unto ashes, your bodies to bodies of clay.