Tue 27 Oct 98 10:00
Marilyn Burge

Here's another data point in my assertion that we take from the Bible pretty much the same thing we take to the Bible. Also please note that this scum is another Calvinist. What more 'proof' do we need that Calvin was a sick, sick man.

Note from Fredric Rice:

This one's amusing in a number of ways. The guy is a repressed homosexual who some how -- though he constantly picks extracts from his mythologies to try to justify his mental problems -- some how failed to research what the "sin" of Soddom was in the very paper idol he worships. This fruit seems to think the Soddom myth was destroyed because of homosexuality.

How idiotic can a cultist be? You would think that these pathetic little men would at least read the very book they're thumping.

The hate rant ends with a delicious irony: The cultist accuses his own deity constructs of being insane tyrants. But then nobody said these unfortunate repressed homosexual homophobes were in any sane.

The Westboro Baptist Church FAQ

"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." -- Psalm 5:5

Who are you, what do you do, and why do you do it?
Doesn't the Bible say that God loves everyone?
Why do you preach hate?
Doesn't God forgive everyone?
Why do you picket funerals?
Why do you say "Thank God For AIDS"?
Doesn't the Bible say not to judge?
Why do you focus on homosexuals?
Are you associated with a milita, Aryan Nation, Nazi, KKK, or any other
similar group?
Why do you use the word "fag"?
Didn't Jesus die for everyone?
What do you think of Jews?
Do you follow ALL of the laws in the Mosaic Code, or do you just pick and
choose those that denounce homosexuals, while ignoring the others?
How can you call yourself a Christian?
What are your views on abortion?
What about lesbians?
What are you trying to accomplish?
Have any fags repented as a result of your picketing?
Where does the Bible say that homosexuality is a sin?
Why are you so harsh?
Doesn't the Bible say to love your neighbor?
What do you think of the Religious Right?
Aren't all sins equal in God's eyes?
Are you a repressed homosexual?
Why is there a Zimbabwe flag on your home page?
Why is your American flag upside down on your home page?

Who are you, what do you do, and why do you do it? The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations opposing the homosexual lifestyle of soul-damning, nation-destroying filth. We display large, colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments, including: GOD HATES FAGS, FAGS HATE GOD, AIDS CURES FAGS, THANK GOD FOR AIDS, FAGS BURN IN HELL, NO TEARS FOR QUEERS, SIN & SHAME NOT PRIDE, FAG=ANAL SEX=DEATH, FAG=AIDS=DEATH, GOD IS NOT MOCKED, FAGS ARE NATURE FREAKS, GOD GAVE FAGS UP, NO SPECIAL LAWS FOR FAGS, etc. Perceiving the modern militant homosexual movement to pose a clear and present danger to the survival of America, exposing our nation to the wrath of God as in 1898 B.C. at Sodom and Gomorrah, WBC has conducted some 10,000 such demonstrations during the last five years at homosexual parades and other events (including funerals of impenitent sodomites). WBC teams have picketed major fag parades in San Francisco, New York, Washington D.C., Miami, San Diego, Dallas, Orlando, Kansas City, etc. The unique picketing ministry of Westboro Baptist Church has received national attention and has been featured on "20/20", "Eye on America", "Ricki Lake", "Rolanda", "Jane Whitney", Fox, PBS, BBC, "Justice Files", Norway TV-2, Pedro Zamora's MTV, etc., and innumerable AP, New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, etc., feature stories. WBC believes this gospel message to be America's last hope.

Doesn't the Bible say that God loves everyone?

No. You are probably thinking of John 3:16, which says no such thing. The word translated "world" in that verse (kosmos) NEVER means every individual of mankind who has ever lived (see, e.g., John 17:9). Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau, and Psalm 5:5 says that God hates all WORKERS of iniquity (e.g., fags). Given these verses, only a fool would suggest that God loves everyone. Try telling Esau that God loves everyone. Try telling the people in hell that God loves them.

Or, you are thinking of "God is love." God certainly is love, toward His elect (His children). But He certainly is not love toward the reprobate (children of the devil). That's why His elect go to heaven, and the reprobate go to hell. In Romans 9:13, which says "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", Jacob is a representative of God's elect, while Esau is a representative of the reprobate. In Romans 1, the word "reprobate" is used to describe fags. Fags are reprobate. God hates reprobates. Therefore, God hates fags. God's hatred is one of His holy attributes, whereby He reveals Himself as having a fixed and immutable determination to punish the finally impenitent with eternal perdition. You should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting that that perfect, righteous attribute of God is wrong. God's hatred is not like man's hatred. His hatred is holy, pure, unchanging, while man's hatred is a sinful, fickle emotion.

Why do you preach hate?

Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God's mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc. The maudlin, kissy-pooh, feel-good, touchy-feely preachers of today's society are damning this nation and this world to hell. They are telling you what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear. What you need to hear is that God hates people, and that your chances of going to heaven are nonexistent, unless you repent. What you need to hear is a little fire and brimstone preaching, like Jesus preached. What you don't need to hear is that you're okay just the way you are, and God accepts everyone without exception. Wake up and smell the brimstone from the fire that is lapping at your feet. Don't listen to the money-grubbing heretic who stands at the front of your church. Listen to God. If you are one of His elect, you'll hear.

Doesn't God forgive everyone?

No. God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth (Romans 9:18). He certainly doesn't forgive the people in hell.

Why do you picket funerals?

To warn the people who are still living that unless they repent, they will likewise perish. When people go to funerals, they have thoughts of mortality, heaven, hell, eternity, etc., on their minds. It's the perfect time to warn them of things to come. Is it mean, hateful, uncompassionate, etc.? I'm sure it is, according to your standards. However, according to my standards, it would be infinitely more mean, hateful, uncompassionate, etc., to keep my mouth shut and not warn you that you, too, will soon have to face God. "Jesus said unto him, let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God" Luke 9:60.

Why do you say "Thank God For AIDS"?

Because God is a sovereign God, and should be thanked for all of His righteous judgments, whether you like them or not. Everyone who gets AIDS gets it as a direct result of God's will (including babies and people who get it from blood transfusions), and He should be blessed for it. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" Galatians 6:7. As far as innocent people who get AIDS, God isn't bound by your humanistic standards of justice. Throughout history, He has killed innocent people to punish those people who are still living (e.g., the innocent first born of Egypt). And He's doing it today. God's wrath is being poured out on this world in many forms, including AIDS, and part of that wrath is the destruction of innocent people (including babies).

Doesn't the Bible say not to judge?

Yes, but like most people, you don't understand what that means. It means not to judge unrighteously, it means not to judge using your human judgment, and it means not to judge hypocritically. In other words, don't substitute your judgment for God's, and don't judge other people when you are guilty of impenitently engaging in the same sins (i.e., Don't cast the first stone). However, there are several verses in the Bible where we are told to judge. "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" John 7:24. "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man" I Corinthians 2:15. "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" I Corinthians 6:2. Crying "judge not lest you be judged" or "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is a favorite tactic among fags and so-called Christians, just like it was among the ancient Sodomites.

"And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door" Genesis 19:9. It's quite a pathetic, inapplicable thing to say to someone who is following Christ's command to preach to every creature, because preaching and judging aren't the same things. So to those off of whose tongues the above quotes so easily flow, at least use the verses in context - don't be a typical sodomite and say it just because you're too weak-minded to address the issues. If you still think that we aren't supposed to judge under any circumstances, then you better not tell me to stop judging. Otherwise, you'd be guilty of judging me, and then you'd be a hypocrite.

Why do you focus on homosexuals?

Because it is a hot-button issue in today's society. Fags march up and down the streets, demanding that we accept their filth. Similar conditions existed in Sodom, which was destroyed by God. Jesus warned us that it would be like it was in the days of Lot (Sodom) just before He returns. We are in those days right now, and this abomination of desolation standing where it ought not should be preached against, not condoned. If you are a fag, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you support fags, you should be ashamed of yourself. It was your ilk who brought destruction on Sodom, and it will be your ilk who fuels God's wrath to the point that there will be no remedy. See the Gay Revolutionary by Michael Swift, from the Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987. This is what you support if you support fags. Furthermore, read "And the Band Played On" by fag Randy Shilts, who admits and documents the fact that fags DELIBERATELY spread AIDS through the United States and the entire world in the 1980s. These are the kind of murderers you support if you support fags.

Are you associated with a milita, Aryan Nation, Nazi, KKK, or any other similar group?

No. We don't believe in violence of any kind, and the Scripture doesn't support racism. God never says "thou shalt not be black." However, He does say, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." (Leviticus 18:22).

The only true Nazis in this country are fags. They want to force you by law to support their filth, and they want to shut you up by law when they hate what you say. Likewise, baby-killers support the genocide of millions of innocent babies, and then act indignant that Hitler killed a few million innocent Jews. Typical cowardly, hypocritical Nazis. You're worse than Hitler. See The Pink Swastika by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

Why do you use the word "fag"?

A "fag" is a firebrand. A "fag" is used for kindling - it fuels fire. "Fag" is a metaphor used in the Bible, for example, in Amos 4:11 (where it is translated "firebrand" in the KJV). Just as a "fag" fuels the fires of nature, so does a sodomite fuel the fires of God's wrath.

Didn't Jesus die for everyone?

No. Jesus died only for His sheep (John 10). His church (Ephesians 5:25). His elect (I Peter 1:2). If He died for everyone, everyone would go to heaven. All sins of all people would be forgiven. But obviously, all sins aren't forgiven, because people are burning in hell.

What do you think of Jews?

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28,29. The only true Jews are Christians. The rest of the people who claim to be Jews aren't, and they are nothing more than typical, impenitent sinners, who have no Lamb. As evidence of their apostacy, the vast majority of Jews support fags. Of course, there are Jews who still believe God's law, but most of them have even departed from that. "The Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men" I Thessalonians 2:14,15. That's what we think about Jews who deny Christ.

Do you follow ALL of the laws in the Mosaic Code, or do you just pick and choose those that denounce homosexuals, while ignoring the others?

The Mosaic Code consists of two types of laws: moral and ceremonial. (Analagous to modern law's mala in se and mala prohibitum, respectively). Moral laws are included in the Mosaic Code because they are in and of themselves wrong (e.g., murder, adultery, human sacrifice, sodomy, etc.). Ceremonial laws are included in the Mosaic Code because they were shadows of things to come. They were ceremonies that represented something (e.g., not eating certain types of animals, not wearing clothing of mixed fibers, etc.). These ceremonial laws foreshadowed Christ, and certain other eternal concepts. These ceremonial laws were done away with when Christ came. See Colossians 2:13-23. The moral laws, however, always have been and always will be in effect. We are supposed to follow the moral laws. The context of the verses in the Mosaic Code that forbid sodomy is important. Leviticus 18:22 says "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." This verse is part of a list of abominations that were done in Egypt and other nations, for which the Lord spued the people out. In other words, He punished other nations for these abominations. This means that these abominable acts were not only forbidden to the ancient Jews, but to ALL nations (whereas the ceremonial laws in the Mosaic Code only applied to people in the Jewish nation). Any nation that engages in these abominations will be destroyed. To paraphrase the context of Leviticus 18:22 - don't have sex with a menstruating woman, don't commit adultery, don't sacrifice your children, don't commit sodomy, don't commit beastiality. The question is: why are all of these things still abominable, except sodomy? Why is sodomy suddenly OK? If you claim to believe the Bible, and you're at all logical, it makes no sense to say that sodomy is OK. Leviticus 20:13 says "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." What's the context of this verse?

To paraphrase - don't commit adultery, don't have sex with your step mother, don't have sex with your daughter in law, don't have sex with other men, don't have sex with your mother in law, don't have sex with animals. Once again, all of these verses condemn things that are morally wrong, as opposed to ceremonially wrong. It makes no sense to suggest that all of these are still wrong - except sodomy. Finally, people ask this question to try to prove a point. And the point is "the Mosaic Code contains lots of stuff that we don't follow anymore - why should we still follow the verse that forbids sodomy?" For example, "if it's OK to eat pork, why isn't it OK to commit sodomy?" I believe I've answered this above, but I'd like to point out that the above statement makes about as much sense as "if it's OK to eat pork, why isn't it OK to murder?"

How can you call yourself a Christian?

Because Christ died for our sins, and we faithfully uphold His Word. Most "Christians" today are Christians by name only, and should be ashamed of themselves. They are cowardly, lukewarm, and ashamed of Christ's Word. They have substituted their own pathetic ideas for God's clear commandments.

What are your views on abortion?

God hates baby-killers.

What about lesbians?

Lesbians are just female fags. They're sinners, too. See Romans 1:26.

What are you trying to accomplish?

Our goal is to preach the Word of God to this crooked and perverse generation. By our words, some will repent. By our words, some will be condemned. Whether they hear, or whether they forbear, they will know a prophet has been among them.

Have any fags repented as a result of your picketing?

Who cares? Our job is to preach, and by our preaching we hope that people will be saved. However, Jesus is the Savior, not us. He will call His sheep. Remember, Noah preached for 120 years and convinced nobody, and by that righteous preaching, he condemned the world.

Where does the Bible say that homosexuality is a sin?

For example, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1, Jude 7, 1 Corinthians 6:9. Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death (Romans 1:32).

Why are you so harsh?

Because the truth is harsh. We use great plainness of speech, and will not beat around the bush when it comes to someone's eternal soul. Watch out for those people who tell you that it's okay to be gay - they'll take you to hell with them.

Doesn't the Bible say to love your neighbor?

Yes. Does that mean to lie to him and tell him what he wants to hear? No. It means to tell him the truth, and warn him to flee from the wrath to come. Further, we have never suggested that we don't love our neighbor. We're not saying "We hate fags" - we're saying "God hates fags." The purest, most exalted form of love is to tell people the truth, especially about weighty matters such as life and death, sin, righteousness, judgment to come, Heaven and Hell. But remember, David said: "Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? Am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them mine enemies." Psalm 139:21, 22. David hated God's enemies with a perfect, spiritual hatred (as opposed to the fickle human emotion of hatred), just as all of God's elect do.

What do you think of the Religious Right?

In general, they are lukewarm cowards. Modern day Pharisees. Whores. Self- righteous hypocrites. They spend more time harrassing people who are preaching the Gospel than anything else, just like the Pharisees did to Jesus. They are second in evil only to the modern day Saduccees (i.e., bleeding heart liberals). All in all, if you're claiming to be a Christian, but you deny what the Bible says about God and His hatred of all workers of iniquity, then you're dealing with the scripture in a whorish manner. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Aren't all sins equal in God's eyes?

No. "Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee HATH THE GREATER SIN." John 19:11. If there is a greater sin, all sins are not the same. "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Matthew 12:31. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven - that sin is therefore not equal to all other sins. What is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? It is attributing the work of God to Beelzebub. It is saying that the preaching of the Gospel is evil, and from the devil. It is perverting the Gospel and calling good evil and evil good. It is taking sin and elevating it to a level of respect and honor (remember that the word translated "sodomite" in the Old Testament literally means "holy one" - fags think they are holy and righteous before God).

Are you a repressed homosexual?

No. Are you a repressed hatemonger? :) We simply believe what the Bible says about fags, and we're not afraid to preach it. "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22. "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:26,27. According to Mr. Freud, I guess Brother Moses and Brother Paul were "repressed homosexuals."

Why is there a Zimbabwe flag on your home page?

Zimbabwe is a righteous nation, the president of which publically denounces fags, saying that they are worse than beasts in the jungle: "Animals in the jungle are better than these people because at least they know how to distinguish between a male and a female." At WBC, the Zimbabwe flag flies above an upside-down USA flag. Back to top Why is your American flag upside down on your home page? An upside down flag is the international sign for distress. This country, as well as the rest of the world, is in mortal danger - we're in distress. Our national support of perversity is bringing God's wrath upon us.

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