The cure for cults that want to deny others their freedom of speech is more freedom of speech -- Fredric Rice

Oh good grief, this one's amazing. As if China didn't have enough problems with over population. Here we have the ICR cult's opinion as to "Would China benefit from Christianity?" One's tempted to ask the rhetorical question, "Doesn't the world have enough religiously motivated hatred, willful ignorance, and biogtry as it is?"

The history of religion shows a long and bloody history of abject tyranny and abject evil, more than half of which was -- and continues to be -- caused by the Christanic cult. Along comes the ICR cult which will, I suspect, advocate that China could use a good dose of occultism to bring them into the endless religious wars Christianity has subjected humanity to. Since China has managed to survive without endless religious wars, maybe it's time that they could use a solid dose of Christianity to solve that problem.

Let's see...

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Christian professionals...

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Translation: Christian cult followers...

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... were asked to address the specific question: "How would opening the door to Christianity benefit China?" I agreed to participate as ICR's representative...

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Here we have a creationist cult follower presuming to address the question as to whether China would benefit from Christianity, offered by a cult that actually believes the classical Christanic mythologies are some how science and that evolution doesn't take place some how. As if China doesn't have enough problems without an increase in the overall illiteracy and scientific ignorance of its populace.

The cult's plan:

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....they must first know what Christianity is.

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Which is something Christians don't agree on. Here we have a freakishly bizarre Creationist cult that the vast majority of Christianity recognize as absolutely nuts presume to suggest he's going to explain to the Chinese government what Christianity is. Previously in other cult propaganda pieces the ICR cult has refered to "true Christianity" as being only those variations of the cult which believe in creationism.

And in fact creationists are a pathetic minority among Christians and most Christians look upon their creationist brothers and sisters with more amusement than pity.

What's next in this cult's plan?

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... Next, I assumed that they had only heard an incorrect caricature of Christianity...

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Translation: "I assumed that the Chinese government already knew what Christianity is however I want to try to make them believe that true Christianity actually requires a belief in creationism.

The third prong in the cult's battle plan for the eventual domination of China:

...Finally, the conference had to adhere to timeless Biblical principles, applied in a culturally relevant setting.

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I have to wonder if handing over one's daughter to a rampaging mob of rapists so that they don't rape "angels" is an acceptable "timeless Biblical principle" that the ICR cult would like to instill among the Chinese people. Here's another "timeless Biblical principle:"

Numbers 31:17-18
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

See, China could benefit from an ideology which makes slaughtering every last man, woman, and male child and kidnapping the surviving virgin females for endless nights of rape and slavery.

The bloocy history of Christianity should be a clear object lesson for what "timeless Biblical principles" mean to civilization.

The cultist then informs us that the conference in China didn't take place but there's always the hope that some day...

It looks like what we're then treated to are the ICR cult's notes for the planned talk which never took place. Let's see what the steps are in the overthrow of China to religious ignorance:

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Beginning with Creation, the Biblical flow of history must be laid out.

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Yes, I agree: Let the Chinese government know right up front that some Christians exhibit a pathology that damn near screams out for certification as pathologically insane. I agree. Get that out in front right away least there by any doubt. And if any iota of doubt remains, we proceed to step number 2:

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The Origin of the Nations...

All people alive today descended from the created pair, and, more recently, from the few survivors of the flood.

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That should clinch the insanity defense right there. I'm at the point where I'm disasppointed that the proposed conference didn't take place since I suspect I would have managed to hear a considerable amount of Chinse laughter all the way back to California. Except that in actual fact I'd expect that the Chinese people listening to such bizarre notions wold remain polite, give each other knowing glances, hide their smiles tastefully and professionally behind their hands, and only break out into gails of laughter when the poor cultists are not around to hurt their feelings.

Then the ICR cult proposes to stuff their other foot in where the previous one went:

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...Scientific Support for Creation

The basic laws of science, the laws of thermodynamics, are precisely predicted by creation theory. They show that evolution by strictly natural processes, violates natural law, and therefore is impossible.

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The ICR cult has never managed to present supportable evidence for such claims here in the United States so I'm wondering why they think they can some how come up with suitable evidence to present in China.

Do Creationists think that the Chinese are less intelligent than their American brothers and sisters? Only a pathetic part of the American populace actually buys in to creationist occultism -- and for all the obvious reasons. Does the ICR cult think they'll do better in China? If so, why do they think they would?

Then the cult proposes to try to pretend that evolution is some how evil:

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The naturalistic/evolutionary view has brought the world much sorrow. From Hitler's racial genocide to Stalin's as well as to many wars. Millions have died in the name of "survival of the fittest."

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See, the directly observed fact of evolution some how brings the world much sorrow. And some how Adolf Hitler factors into the picture. Some how. Starting out pretend that evolution some how described or dictates how one species is "superior" or "inferior" to another (something which evolution doesn't encompass and something which no theory of evolution contains) the cultist then proceeds to hold up a racist, marrying the two together with duct tape so that the cult's bizarre argument will hang together long enough for the Chinese to laugh at the resulting characterization.

And does the cultist go on to explain-away Christianity's atrocities and the fact that Adolf Hitler was a staunch Christian who enjoyed the official sanction of the majority of Christianity in Europe at the time Hitler was exterminating people? Of course not. In fact the direct opposite is baldly asserted:

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On the other hand, Christianity long has been a force for good in society. In China, many food relief programs, hospitals, universities, schools, etc., were started in the name of Christ.

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No mention of Christianity's history nor its current general demand that abortion is wrong and that over population to the point of mass starvations and infant deaths are to be religiously perfered. And China's population is already unsupportable.

And, thanks to George "Dubya" Bush, the Christians and the Muslims are at it again, slaughtering each other with as much glee and joy as they've always had while the better educated around the world watch in horror and hope that they, the atheists of the world, don't get splattered by the predations of the religiously insane among them.

And to make it worse, we also have India and Pakistan currently getting their armies together along their respected borders, bringing nuclear weapons up with every intention to use them "if provoked."

Isn't religion wonderful? Isn't religion a "force for good in society?"

After the ICR cult ignores Christianity's history we get to the next step in the plan for China:

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...What is Man?

Man, created in the image of God...

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The gods would be insulted if they actually existed.

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...has certain abilities and characteristics distinct from the animals....

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Someone forgot to inform the ICR cult that humans are animals. There may be the presumption that humans are made of wood or that they're minerals; the ICR cult doesn't say, only asserting that some how humans are some how not animals. At the same time the ICR cult ignores the research into primate behavior (which includes humans) wherein other animals exhibit all of the traits which humans do. Indeed, we see the bald assertion:

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He has the ability to discern right from wrong..

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As do many other animals. Reciently on Nova, a television series that can be viewed opn public broadcasting television stations, primatologists conducting research in the field on just this question (whether the other primates know right from wrong) offered crushed coconuts to small groups of primates. When offered this treat the primates offered voice cues, calling other primates to come join in eating the treat.

The primatologists then started selecting lone primates, secretly slipping them crushed coconuts without alerting other primates that one had been singled out to receive the treat. In these tests the primates given the crushed coconuts looked around to see if any of the others were observing the primate and whether any of the others had seen the coconuts and were coming over to share them.

In those cases were they were observed, the primates called out to the others in the area to let them know that they could come share ine the treat. In those cases where they were not observed, the primates looked around to make sure and then walked over to the coconuts, collected the fragments while continueing to look around to make sure they weren't observed, and then walked off to eat the treats. If discovered they gave voice to alert others to come share.

And just try telling guardians of dogs that dogs don't know right from wrong.

In this propaganda piece the cult then tries to claim that the classical Christanic mythologies...

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....describes guidelines for interpersonal relationships. It teaches the value of family stability; of motherhood; of harmony between individuals...

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I guess that they're not allowed to read the Christian mythologies at the ICR cult where women are treated as property and it's repeatedly perfectly okay to slaughter every last man, woman, child, and animal in a city just because the Christian gods demand it.

Let's skip forward past equally pathetic claims... We see some silly notions about economics and capitalism... Another false claim that economics some how has something to do with evolution... We see an equally bizarre series of notions about health care... Ah, here we finally get to something worth pointing out:

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Brainwashing students in a certain perspective does not produce thinking, mature individuals who are committed to the espoused doctrine and loyal to their superiors.

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>-WHAM!-> goes the irony meter. The ICR cult demands that reality be "filtered" through the Christanic mythologies when demonstrable facts don't agree with the mythologies. But even worse, even when the classical Christanic mythologies have nothing to say about some fact, creationists often like to pretend it does so that they can deny the fact and what their own senses and reason is telling them.

The cultist then goes on to pretend that "Christian principles" have something to do with enacting just laws. There's an insult to the Chinese government.

Arguably this propaganda piece is about the most idiotically stupid one I've yet seen in this critical series. The supposition that China -- or _any_ country -- benefits from occult superstition claptrap being sold as if it were science is profoundly idiotic given the fact of human history and the specific history of what happens when a populace embraces occult superstition.

What kind of a sick bastard ignores Christianity's bloody, tyranical, absolutely evil history and glibly demands that Christianity should be inflicted upon China?

Well, that would solve China's over population problem, yes.

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