The Kramer disappearance theory

09 Jan 2002

E-mail about Mr. Kramer's disappearance and discovery still come in from time to time. Some people still think there's something sinister about it. I suggested to this person that she post her suspicions to the alt.conspiracy newsgroup.

The interesting thing is, several people have claimed that Mr. Kramer had discovered a way to make the old action-at-a-distance phenomena of two interacting particles into a viable communications system though, of course, the believers didn't understand what constitutes a random stream of information nor do they ever twigg to the fact that information can't be conveyed if it's random. I've given up trying to explain why it doesn't work since it's far too much effort.

Also of interest here is the belief that there's a cover story that Mr. Kramer committed suicide when nowhere in my article do I suggest that. I cover Mr. Kramer's sleep depravation and I concluded that he fell asleep behind the wheel. This person read my article and some how read "suicide coverup."


From: ...cuts...flr...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:48:40 EST
Subject: The Kramer disappearance theory
To: frice@linkline.com

Are you still maintaining the skeptic tank page? I was going through old boxes and found a newspaper article on Philip Kramer's disappearance, so I checked the internet to see what's happened since the 2/11/96 article. After learning that his body was found, I searched a little more to see if the government connection was known, and was glad that someone had posted your web site at http://www.raids.org/kramer.htm.

I'm a computer consultant who worked in California in the 1990's (elsewhere now), and happened to have a few co-workers who were refugees from aerospace layoffs. One elderly co-worker took a liking to going to lunch with me when I worked at Prudential in Woodland Hills. His name was Al Martinez (we both worked for Pru thru a contract agency), and he claimed to have worked for the CIA in the past. I'm fairly well-versed in geo-politics, and had an ex-boyfriend who had been in the CIA in his younger years, so I probably was one of the few people who could follow what Al was saying.

I recall one lunch when Kramer was mentioned. Al informed me of Kramer's scientific accomplishments, but I was pretty skeptical -- how many rock stars do more than partying and womanizing, after all? But Al insisted the man had actually been a scientist, and that he disappeared like a lot of government scientists disappear -- they go to pick someone up and never come back. This is how the government controls secrets at times, although Al expressed disgust at the practice, and often his statements led me to believe that he'd been so outraged with Intelligence that they'd booted him. He even mentioned that they'd erased most of his memory ("10 years ago, I didn't know who I was or where I came from"), which I could believe from my limited knowledge of psychotronics. However, he was able to regain most of his memory, probably (as a friend tells me) because it "wasn't done right".

Al seemed to think that Kramer was locked up instead of killed, although obviously that wasn't true. Anyway, he claimed that Kramer was abducted because he'd discovered a formula that would allow us to communicate with anyone in the universe in a matter of seconds. Al didn't mention whether the US government already had the information when Kramer discovered it, but he then proceeded to make fun of "a dozen people at NASA" who were so arrogant because they had this sort of information and everyone else was excluded.

Obviously, I can't verify if Al was for real, but a lot of his stories at least partially jive with what others in intelligence have said. His past CIA employment also was verified by my boss, who may have had HR check his employment history.

If anything about Al, he withheld information from me. I'd find later that he'd given me maybe 10% of the story, just a tiny bit more than what was already published in the press. Often for controversial things, he'd cite a book or article, probably so I could say I got it from the book instead of him.

As I've told people in the past, the thing about intelligence friends is that they can get in trouble for telling you classified items. However, they can give you pretty strong hints by pointing you toward the right published theories, or by providing newly declassified information & putting it in perspective.

Anyway, thanks for posting your article on the net. I'd be disappointed to think that the man's death was portrayed as nothing more than a suicide, because I truly believe it was a government hit.

Pam R.


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