From: jeff@wave.ics.uci.edu (Jeff Erickson)
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Subject: Indoctrination [was My opinion...]
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Date: 21 Jul 91 01:51:28 GMT
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whatis@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (....What Is?....) writes:

| I have never felt indoctrinated.

OF COURSE you've never felt indoctrinated! That doesn't mean you weren't. You can't brainwash someone if they notice you're doing it.

I was a Catholic for most of my pre-adult life. I never felt indoctrinated by the Catholic Church until I left it and became a Fundamentalist. Likewise, in my two years of fundamentalism, I never felt indoctrinated. I only noticed that I had been "brainwashed" after I left.

In the first case, the indoctrination was very subtle. When I was a kid, if someone I saw all the time told me that something was true, I would believe them. Especially when my parents didn't say anything to contradict it. The Church does that to all of the kids it can get its hands on, in mass, sunday school, retreats, youth groups, you name it.

The second case was a little more complex, but it basically boiled down to peer pressure. "You can believe what you want, but if you don't believe waht we do, we're really concerned about you. Maybe we should help you see where you've gone wrong?" Sure enough, they could. Again, if I'm told something often enough by people I trust, I tend to believe them.

Why should I believe that this pattern doesn't extend to all religious organizations?

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