From: mauler@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Psi and Scientology
Message-ID: <1991Jul30.201224.32437@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Date: 30 Jul 91 20:12:24 CDT
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In article <leo.680437603@galaxy>, leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
> mauler@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
>> And unfortunately, paranormal abilities exist.  
> 
> Yeah, right.
> 
>> [...] in the creative visualization clinics, where cancer patients visualize
>> white knights attacking their tumor cells, and the tumors subside if the
>> patient focuses enough "whatever-energy" onto the problem; 
> 
> This must surely be a slap in the face of everyone who has ever lost
> a loved one to this disease.
> 
> Good God, look at what you're saying. Surely the will to live is one of
> the strongest that we have. If people could cure themselves from cancer
> by 'focusing "whatever-energy"', then wouldn't we have learned to do so
> by now? Over the course of history, there must have been literally millions
> of people with cancer, who only wanted one thing in the world: to live. 
> All that mental energy, spent on only one thought: "I want to live!". 
> 
> Do you really think that if there was any merit to this 'visualization'
> technique, it would not already have become widely accepted?
> 

It is currently being used, it has not gained wide favor because it has not
been "scientifically" proven, and since it is a "whatever" force, it probably
never will be.  The whole process is simply another method of trying to cure a
disease that seems to have no cure aside of direct tumor removal, and even that
has limited effects.

I am not trying to imply that anyone who has ever lost a loved one to cancer
lost that loved one because s/he did not focus his/her will to live enough
(i.e., s/he failed in his/her will to live).  Rather, that healing
visualization has a better track record for curing the patient AND leaving the
rest of the body unhurt (which chemotherapy does not) when guided and
encouraged through the use of guides, a healthy diet, exercise, etc., the marks
of a healthy body which leads to a healthy mind, which leads to more control
over both.  Perhaps the poisons intended to heal killed those other loved ones
you speak of.  Perhaps another paranormal force took his or her life, since
there always seems to be a "time to go."  It doesn't really help any to
squabble with me over the effectiveness, since it works occasionally--and
nothing else in cancer treatment has anything BETTER than *occasionally* for
its cure track record--and we need all the possibilities we can get.  When you
or others discover one single treatment that does the trick, and it isn't
creative visualization, then I will accept that visualization is not all its
cracked up to be.  Until then it remains the only treatment unlikely to hurt
the body in addition to the tumor hurting the body, for the exact same chance 
of a complete cure.  

     Better to have lived a full and happy life through visualization 
treatment, and finally die happy, than to emerge from chemotherapy an 
emaciated walking corpse, and live out your last years in pain and unhappiness
from the treatments.

> 
>> [...] and in the
>> practitioners of Oriental mind-body martial arts, some who are capable of
>> knocking down enemies who are some yards away without the use of standard
>> projectile weapons or lackeys (through an "invisible" personal force, called
>> "ki", "chi", etc., extended beyond the physical body).
> 
> In the Western World, we call this force: "body odor".
> 

Doesn't cut it.  Body odor only leaves bruises on the inner nose and throat,
not on the outer body...

> --
> Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)

Leo (another one)