From: sgandy%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Sildem Gandy)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Perfectionism (was Re: L. Ron Hubbard was an egregious sexist.)
Message-ID: <1991Aug22.145929.11774@hellgate.utah.edu>
Date: 22 Aug 91 20:59:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1991Aug22.145929.11774
References: <17563@life.ai.mit.edu> <19116@scorn.sco.COM> <1991Aug20.195201.17119@hellgate.utah.edu> <19188@scorn.sco.COM>
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
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In article <19188@scorn.sco.COM> jondr@fscott.UUCP (Dances With Voles) writes: > >No one yet knows why sgandy%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Sildem Gandy) said: >>Jon, if you have any suggestions as to how to improve Dianetics why don't ..... It's a bit general to say *no one knows*. > >First, I noticed that you quoted the words of Mr. Hubbard almost verbatim .... If I had the source material at hand I would have. I should have been more specific and said that he said "none were major or basic". > >Second, I never said I had any ideas on how to improve dianetics. This may >surprise you, but I actually have very little against the _concepts_ in >dianetics, as therapeutic tools. For one thing, anything that helps people >confront THEMSELVES as the source of their problems, rather than some >outside influence, is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Secondly, and >probably more importantly, most of the ideas in Dianetics were ruthlessly >plagiarized by Hubbard from textbooks on abreactive therapy. Of course, his >ego would not allow him to acknowledge these unwitting "contributors." It >may surprise you to learn that the concept of an engram chain is NOT a >Hubbard invention.

You obviously missed reading the part where LRH gives credit to Freud for the discovery of the engram chain etc.

>If you feel that LRH has helped your life, then that's >just great, but spare an hour or two to think about the lives that he has >destroyed beyond repair, sometimes accidentally, often deliberately. Do you >really want to associate with that class of person? > I don't know of anyone who has been harmed by LRH, but I know personally hundreds of people who have received Dianetics and Scientology counselling who have rave reviews of it. I am also a trained New Era Dianetics Counselor and I know how effective it is.

Considering your knowledge of abreactive therapy I would hazard a guess that you are a psychologist, or work in that field. Is that so?

Sildem Gandy (sgandy@peruvian.utah.edu)

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