From: sgandy%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Sildem Gandy)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Perfectionism (was Re: L. Ron Hubbard was an egregious sexist.)
Message-ID: <1991Aug22.145929.11774@hellgate.utah.edu>
Date: 22 Aug 91 20:59:29 GMT
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In article <19188@scorn.sco.COM> jondr@fscott.UUCP (Dances With Voles) writes:
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>No one yet knows why sgandy%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Sildem Gandy) said:
>>Jon, if you have any suggestions as to how to improve Dianetics why don't 
.....
It's a bit general to say *no one knows*.
>
>First, I noticed that you quoted the words of Mr. Hubbard almost verbatim
....
If I had the source material at hand I would have.  I should have been more
specific and said that he said "none were major or basic".  
>
>Second, I never said I had any ideas on how to improve dianetics.  This may
>surprise you, but I actually have very little against the _concepts_ in
>dianetics, as therapeutic tools.  For one thing, anything that helps people
>confront THEMSELVES as the source of their problems, rather than some
>outside influence, is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.  Secondly, and
>probably more importantly, most of the ideas in Dianetics were ruthlessly
>plagiarized by Hubbard from textbooks on abreactive therapy.  Of course, his
>ego would not allow him to acknowledge these unwitting "contributors."  It
>may surprise you to learn that the concept of an engram chain is NOT a
>Hubbard invention.  

You obviously missed reading the part where LRH gives credit to Freud for 
the discovery of the engram chain etc.  

>If you feel that LRH has helped your life, then that's
>just great, but spare an hour or two to think about the lives that he has
>destroyed beyond repair, sometimes accidentally, often deliberately.  Do you
>really want to associate with that class of person?
>
I don't know of anyone who has been harmed by LRH, but I know personally 
hundreds of people who have received Dianetics and Scientology counselling
who have rave reviews of it. I am also a trained New Era Dianetics Counselor
and I know how effective it is.  

Considering your knowledge of abreactive therapy I would hazard a guess that
you are a psychologist, or work in that field.  Is that so?

Sildem Gandy (sgandy@peruvian.utah.edu)