From: kudwarf@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Heh heh heh...
Message-ID: <1991Sep8.002148.33348@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Date: 8 Sep 91 00:21:48 CDT
References: <pmoloney.684251998@unix1.tcd.ie>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
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In article <pmoloney.684251998@unix1.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@unix1.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
> This newsgroup is a joke, right? I mean, noone who posts here seriously
> believes in scientology, do they? I mean, you _know_ that Hubbard made
> it up as a bet, right?
> 
> Please enlighten me. I don't wish to offend anyone, so I'd to find out
> is this a joke newsgroup or not.
> 
> P.

Guess what!   We've already received rebuttals and replies from dedicated 
Scientologists, so I guess there must really be Scientologists who post here!
I guess that is why I'm reading "Dianetics" and "Scientology", so I can 
actually argue with the Sci's who say, "well, I can't argue with you, you 
havent't read <book by LRH>."  And let me tell you, LRH was WACKO!
 
Aside of the fact that most of "Scientology" and "Dianetics: A Modern 
Science Of Mental Health" reads like it was written by a 16 year-old with a 
G.E.D. diploma, for 16 year-olds with G.E.D. diplomas, it also reads like 
my psychology class' textbook, specifically the chapters on Freud.  For 
example, Scientology cites psychoses to be caused by Mother influences and 
Father influences, at least "engrams" dating back to pre-natal and 
childhood years.  Second, Freud came up with the concept of engrams and 
engram chains long before Dianetics did (is Freud credited?  No way hosea!).
Thirdly, Freud's Conflict-->Stress-->Defense Mechanisms-->Psychoses chain 
of reasoning to explain why people's personalities are the way they are, 
soundsa heck of a lot like Scientology's chain of reasoning:
Conflict-->Stress-->Engrams-->Psychoses.
 
So: did LRH really plagiarize off of Freud, or was he a secret supporter of 
Freud, who, upon Freud's loss of respect within the psychological 
community, rewrote and copied everything into an entirely new package, so 
that Freud's work, if not his name, could live on throughout the centuries...
 
You decide...

Leo Mauler
kudwarf@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

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Leo Mauler
kudwarf@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu