Archive Message - 1995

Since some of the materials which describe the $cientology cult could be considered to be copywritten materials, I have censored myself and The Skeptic Tank by deleting any and all possible text files which describes the cult's hidden mythologies. I have elected to quote just a bit of the questionable text according to the "Fair Use" legal findings afforded to those who report. - Fredric L. Rice, The Skeptic Tank, 09/Sep/95 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From!!!!!noring Mon Jul 10 17:01:39 1995 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,sci.skeptic,sci.physics,,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.psi,,alt.paranet.skeptic,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranormal Path:!!!!!noring From: (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Dr. Hal Puthoff is an OTIII? Message-ID: <> Followup-To: alt.religion.scientology, Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <> <3tig5v$> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 15:34:27 GMT Lines: 111 Sender: Xref: alt.religion.scientology:73535 sci.skeptic:59535 sci.physics:61252 alt.conspiracy:69160 alt.alien.visitors:52020 alt.paranet.psi:818 alt.paranet.skeptic:2304 alt.paranet.ufo:25969 alt.paranormal:11768 [Note the followup line set to alt.religion.scientology and If your reply has nothing to do with Scientology, please remove a.r.s. from the Newsgroups: line. Thanks.] In article lippard@Primenet.Com (James J. Lippard) writes: >In article peter lucey <> wrote: >>"Research Assoctiate at Hanson Physics laboratory (Stanford University) >>near Palo Alto, California, Dr. Hal Puthoff is very much a Scientologist. >>He is OT III expanded and OT VII. An author and expert on laser beam >>technology, Dr. Puthoff... considers Scientology an invaluable part of >>both his personal and professional life and is currently busy applying >>Scientology concepts to modern physics." >> >>Any info on the above quote and Dr. Puthoff? Was'nt he involved >>withy Uri Geller? >Yes, he and Russell Targ worked with Geller at SRI. > >I'm not sure whether he is still a Scientologist or not. He was listed >as a member of the Council of the Society for Scientific Exploration >in vol. 9, no. 1 of the _Journal of Scientific Exploration_ (Spring 1995) >but his name has disappeared with the Summer 1995 issue. His last >address listed put him at the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin >(Austin, TX). A couple of years ago, well before the current CoS/Internet situation, I contacted Hal Puthoff with regards to his ongoing research into Stochastic Electrodynamics (SED) and Condensed Charge Technology (CCT). He and several others are developing SED as an alternative to quantum mechanics. SED essentially assumes classical physics but with the added assumption that space is filled with a real vacuum energy. The results of SED are amazing and several quantum mechanical principles have been derived based on these assumptions, including the Schroedinger equation. They've even attempted to explain gravity with SED but have so far come up short (one paper had a mistake in the mathematics which I helped Puthoff to find -- back to the drawing board). He and others have published often about SED in Physical Review, so the research is by no means "crackpot" as PhysRev is a highly respected, peer-reviewed set of physics journals. In one paper, Puthoff theorizes that the vacuum energy of space is *very random*, non-blackbody distributed electromagnetic energy whose source is the motion of all charge carriers in the universe, which, if true, suggests that it is theoretically possible to tap the motion energy of the charge carriers of the universe via the vacuum energy (like we tap the fusion energy of the sun *via* solar energy) without violating the 1st and 2nd laws of Thermodynamics (because the motion of matter in the universe is still highly ordered). CCT is a recent technology developed which purports to take advantage of the vacuum energy and generates more electric power than was used to produce the micron-sized CC's -- all of this is purported, not proven, of course. Hal Puthoff also has *very* close ties to NSA and advises them on matters related to physics. And this is where things get to be quite strange (note: things will get weird from this point on, so put up with me). According to some unconfirmed information I gained while working at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (I worked there as a mechanical engineer for 5 years until last month), the U.S. government has been working hard to reverse engineer actual extra-terrestrial spacecraft and to understand the physics behind them (as strange as it sounds, I have good reasons to believe this information is true). That's where Hal Puthoff comes in, and Puthoff is apparently doing research into SED partly to explain both the power source as well as how the spacecraft is able to distort/warp space so that it can travel long distances in a short time (like in Star Trek). He apparently believes that SED can offer an explanation where current QM, SR, and GR cannot (a recent paper by him which generated a lot of scientific interest and which used SED principles showed that the source of inertia could be the interaction of the vacuum energy with matter -- this has ramifications for how it is possible to alter space to allow "FTL" space travel as well as how to alter gravity/inertia itself.) Anyway, weirdness aside, I speculate that Hal Puthoff partly initiated research into PSI in the 70's based on his Scientological beliefs. Since he is purported to be an OTIII, we now know (thanks to SCAMIZDAT) that he has been exposed to Hubbard's teachings on Xenu, aliens, the nuking of Hawaii, etc. And of course Scientologists believe in some paranormal phenomena as a general rule. It is unclear if he still has any ties to the Church of Scientology, or if he even believes the OTIII story, but regardless, I wonder how they are influencing his work on SED? I wonder if CoS has an interest in advanced spacecraft propulsion? I wonder if CoS knows what's going on at Groom Lake and Area 51? :^) And of course, I wonder how CoS is tied in with NSA other than having a Scientologist advising NSA on scientific matters. It's all real interesting but highly speculative of course. BTW, I found Hal Puthoff to be very open-minded, willing to listen to other's ideas no matter how different (Puthoff reads Bearden's stuff to get new perspectives, NOT because he believes Tom Bearden's ideas), and also is willing to admit when he is wrong and move in another direction. He embodies many of the attributes of the ideal scientist, unlike many of the current physicists who are overly stubborn and prefer to enforce orthodoxy rather than to continue to seek the truth, even if the truth turns out to overturn years of personal beliefs. A true scientist will not trust his/her own beliefs, will always question the fundamental postulates underlying his beliefs, and will gladly change them when the evidence to do so is presented -- and, in addition, he will gladly support research to prove his beliefs wrong. Unfortunately, I see very few scientists today who hold these principles -- I know as I have directly worked with many of the top scientists in the country at the University of Minnesota, Sandia, LBL, UCB, and LLNL. Hal Puthoff is one of the few I've met who does, and that partly explains why his name invokes a lot of heated discussion. Back to Scientology... Jon Noring -- OmniMedia | The Electronic Bookstore. Come in and browse! Two 9671 S. 1600 West St. | locations: /pub/Om/OmniMedia/books South Jordan, UT 84095 | and /pub/softlock/pc/products/OmniMedia 801-253-4037 | E-book publishing service follows NWU recommendations.


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