Archive Message - 1995

Since some of the materials which describe the $cientology cult could be considered to be copywritten materials, I have censored myself and The Skeptic Tank by deleting any and all possible text files which describes the cult's hidden mythologies. I have elected to quote just a bit of the questionable text according to the "Fair Use" legal findings afforded to those who report. - Fredric L. Rice, The Skeptic Tank, 09/Sep/95 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From!!uunet!!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!cmcl2!is2.NYU.EDU!spurgeon Wed Jul 12 09:49:44 1995 Path:!!uunet!!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!cmcl2!is2.NYU.EDU!spurgeon From: (Keith Spurgeon) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Keith Spurgeon: THe SP Woody? Date: 10 Jul 1995 17:15:26 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 67 Message-ID: <3trn7e$a92@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <3tqjdj$8rr@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I thank all of you for your responses. Frankly, I was suprised that anyone encouraged me to continue (indeed, I had not actually planned to). I have ceased the insistent posting of the soc.women debacle, although Chris Miller will see it again on a.r.s. from time to time. I was hoping that Chris Miller would respond to these repeated postings during his allotted Usenet period. I figured about a day of Warnings would be enough. Apparently he is too intent on pursuing Tom K. on charges that were dropped by prosecutors. Alas, Miller has been as evasive on this occasion as in the past.. I am sure you will be relieved to learn that I have decided to begin posting quotations from The Path To Total Freedom by Roy Wallis (1976, Columbia University Press: ISBN 0-231-04200-0) which my recent encounters with a.r.s have prompted me to purchase (another big win for the Co$). While the book may still be available, it is expensive. I recently found a copy in a used bookstore. The following section is a quote from _Have_You_Lived_Before_This_Life_?,_A_Scientific_Survey_ by L. Ron Hubbard, The Department of Publications World Wide [Church of Scientology, East Grinstead], 1968 as quoted in the Wallis book. _Have_You_Lived...... is described by Wallis as a collection of reports by auditors and pre-clears of the processing of whole-track (or past-life) engrams. This excerpt will probably suprise no one. Consider it a bon bon for putting up with me. I quote this to solicit comment and further debate. -----Begin Hubbard quotation cited by Wallis---- Scientologists Report Located the incident with the command 'Have you ever died?' The E-meter needle dropped. 'Was it more than 100 years ago?' Needle dropped...Carried on like this and finally located it at 55,000,000,000,000,000,000... 'Be in that incident.' 'What part of that incident can you confront?' and we were away. First picture that came was of the sea, great deal of unreality but by discussion and continuing the question What part of that incident can you confront? Various other pictures and sensations uncovered which eventually added up to a section of the incident concerning a giant Manta Ray type of aquatic creature with the preclear had seen while underwater...the engram started on [a] spaceship. The ship had needed an outside repair. On going outside, the preclear had an acute pain under the arm where the metor had struck, occurred. The Pc clambers back into the space-ship. later the atomnic engines of the ship break down and the Pc has to repair these and apparently received radio-active burns. He finds that he has to leave the ship and so falls from a ladder into the sea here he encounters the Manta Ray. ----End Hubbard quotation cited by Wallis----- To be fair, however, Wallis later writes: "Running past-life incidents as engrams is not, however, typical of contemporary Scientology technique. Unlike Dianetics, Scientology does not seek to erase the causes of limitations on the individuals full capacity, since with the development of the belief in the whole-track, this would be far to lengthy and arduous a process." Are there any cosmologists out there who know what was happening in the universe 55,000,000,000,000,000,000 years ago (sorry, I don't have the precise date)? keith


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