Archive Message - 1995

From!!!swrinde!!!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!not-for-mail Thu Sep 14 09:44:06 1995 Path:!!!swrinde!!!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!not-for-mail From: dcs@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David C Smith) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Houston Protest Report Date: 9 Sep 1995 23:57:19 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800 Lines: 146 Message-ID: <42tr7f$5vm@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: Summary: Clam(tm) Pizza for All! Keywords: Scientology, cult, Dianetics, scam, Clam(tm) Pizza, OTs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here's my report on the Houston Protest. I will be submitting my official report to the ARS Executive Committee on the proper forms shortly. ****************************************************************** My wife and I arrived at Fuzzy's Pizza (which is in the same strip center as the Dianetics Center) around 1:45pm, a bit late, but just in time too. As we made our way towards the counter, I noticed the gentleman in front of us was ordering a Clam(tm) pizza. I knew we were at the right place! <grin> I had made up a couple of Clam(tm) pizza signs before hand and one was posted by the menu board, and the other was placed in the window near our table. We all (there were 8 of us in all) sat around our table and chatted about the happenings on ARS. We watched some of the local org members go in and out of the Dianetics center, but foot traffic was light. The Scientologists kept an eye on us, often coming into Fuzzy's to buy a bottle of Coke or Snapple. At one point, we watched as two Scientologists walked through the parking lot, writing down vehicle liscense plate numbers on a clipboard. Back to the pizza, which seemed to be taking an awfully long time cooking. Being the ARS Executive Committee members that we were, we automacially assumed that the lateness of our Clam(tm) Pizza was a Clam(tm) Conspiracy. Eventually, the pizza came and we chowed down on a delicious Pepperoni and Clam pizza. After we finished off the Clam(tm) Pizza, we sat around and chatted about ARS, Woody, Phatso (aka LRH), telephones, Houston, and other fun topics. During this time, one of the Clam(tm) Pizza crew takes one of the leaflets over to an obvious Scientologist observer, and strikes up a conversation with him. They talked for awhile, and we tracked the clipboard duo around the parking lot, while we chatted away. Later, another fellow, obvious Scientologist joins them and they all talk for a little while. Around this time, a big fellow with reddish hair wearing a green shirt comes in to Fuzzy's, buys a Dr. Pepper, becomes *very* interested in what's on the big screen near us (I remember it was a commercial, then another commercial), and comes and sits down at the table next to us. I thought, "hmmm.. he looks almost like LRH". Then, he pulled out his pack of Kools, and lit up a smoke. An LRH wanna-be planted to listen in on us! I almost broke out laughing, but managed to keep my K^Hcool. Eventually, our fellow ARSer brings the 2 men over to our table and introduces them. They sit down to join us, and we all start to talk. The guy in the suit is the most talkative, and is wearing a <T> bracelet. The other guy (we'll call him cell-guy since he had a cellular phone with him) pretty much kept quiet. We discussed the raids, the lawsuits, and trade secrets. He didn't know a lot (or so he said) about the FactNet raid or the keyword searches by I-net. We did discuss the copyright and fair use issues, and also trade secrets. He didn't much believe in fair use of LRH works, as he mentioned the statement in LRH's works that forbid *any* copying, which I disagreed with. One thing that we did agree on is that the Erlich trial and the others will set the precedents for these areas. Soon after, another Scientologist joined us. He was quieter than suit-guy, but spoke much more than cell-guy. At one point suit-guy asks if we've read the number one piece of cult pulp (my description), Dianetics. As we answered, he started the "sell" routine about "read this book, get a friend, and audit yourselves to clear". He sent cell-guy back to the org to grab a few copies to hand out to us. Cell-guy exits. We continue our conversation, talking about the OT materials (not the content though, darn-it!) and we learn that suit-guy has reach OT V, and the new guy has reached OT VIII (Of course you didn't think they'd let us talk to Pre-Clear members!). At one point, suit-guy says something to the order of "We are not on staff, just members of the church". I ask the magic question, "Are you FSM's?". They both answer yes. I then explained to my wife what FSM's (Field Staff Members - They sell Scientology materials and services and receive a 15% commission on what they sell) are. Thank you RonArtistR! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Eventually cell-guy comes back with 4 copies of _Dianetics_ to pass out to the group. Neither my wife nor I took a copy, since I just bought one recently at a used book store for half price - 20%. BTW, watch for my comments and fair use extracts from it on ARS in the coming weeks. The OT VIII guy goes to a table near us to talk with one of our group (He's an ex-Scieno who made OT III!) and we all continue to chat. The suit-guy was pushing hard to sell.sell.sell us on Scientology! I was shocked and amazed that this guy was not only attempting to "handle" us, but also to SELL us on Scientology. At one point, suit-guy was talking about the free _Dianetics_ books he handed out, and I requested a free set of the Green Volumes since I already had _Dianetics_. He said no, you're going to have to pay for that since it's a couple of thousand dollars... :-) We continued talking, and I brought up a question I had about the tone scale relating to a post I did awhile back which quoted material from _Science of Survival_ about Sexuality in which LRH said that a rapist was higher toned than a pervert. We all had a laugh during this bit, but he was willing to and did explain why. Soon after, my wife and I had to leave. We said our goodbyes to our ARS friends and the Scientologists. As walked out of Fuzzy's to our car parked close-by (but not close to the org), we noticed a young Scieno with a camcorder standing out front of the org attempting to tape people leaving. We managed to get into the car un-noticed. My wife was driving and said something to the effect of "f*ck this" as she pulled out, and sped out of the parking lot before the camera- clam^H^H^H^Hman could turn to catch us on tape. Heh. Altogether, it was a VERY interesting and bizarre day. Since we didn't actually picket outside, I guess the OT-guys did their job. But, the Houston Dianetics Center is not in a good location. There is practically no foot traffic, and the busy street, Westheimer, is not near the org, and is crowded with a gas station and a business building. I think that we conveyed our message to the Scientologists, and the lower level folks were aware of our presence. I would have liked to talked to some of them, but they weren't exactly friendly to us. ;-) If I left anything out or goofed on anything, I hope my fellow ARS-ers who were there will point it out. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMFJwDV8NLo2vey9NAQFn0gP/e1MbP7C/idM5VTqXkwMM8K51YULI2UWk Ibz2I4hlvPYiGtHxAUXnlQUSU8XO70qbSal1+0qxenqUKmA3YliF97M+VzdQw45j f3GZORG85nFPfQ4r/TljkwEyR5Qzme+FhgRwL9LxWPxmJsCZkUqCsJJAWmtk3VoR Joax6wrSlwo= =IlAU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- | David C. 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