Subject: Tracking the Money, Sporgers
On Mon, 03 May 1999 21:27:06 GMT, Rob_Clark@justicemail.com (Rob
Clark) wrote:
Posted and mailed
> On Mon, 3 May 1999 22:48:47 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
>> Lawrence E. May is one of the founding tax attorneys who set up
> is anyone keeping these?
Unfounded Opinion #1a:
I'm finding that those which are of interest to State and Federal
authorities are in any event duplication of data since these
authorities already have it -- and much more. So far as I can see,
much of the information is useless other than to see some general
picture of the many arms and fake fronts of the cult. I just don't
see the need for most of it. Tracking the money interests me more.
Newspapers probably have it all already, too, if they're major ones.
That's their jobs, after all: digging the dirt.
Take for example cult victim H. Kobrin. Detailed information into her
unusual financial history was posted here yet it was of no actual
value to anybody other than as a picture of what it means to be a
victim of the cult. Federal authorities already know all of this
kind of information on _all_ of the crime bosses, I would bet. You
_know_ that every damn law enforcement agency in the world has
at least one folder on David Miscavage with his photograph and a
physical description, just as they have the same for every Mafia don.
(And for the same reasons.) Crime bosses with lots of money are a
major concern of many nation's governmental law enforcement
agencies, regardless of which country they reside within. I doubt
that anything turned up by amature sleuths could really interest the
Feds.
At times I think that posting such information is malicious and should
be discouraged. At times I think it's rather like the behavior of the
criminal cult that we're all working to expose. Such information
should properly be disseminated privately, out-of-band, among
ourselves, I some times think. Certainly such information could be
provided to the media and law enforcement agencies upon request
rather than publically since that would be more ethical.
Unfounded Opinion #1b:
I've heard law enforcement grunts refer to critics and media which
dig up such information in unsavory terms, by the way. Which is okay
since they also know the full dirt on the Scientology crime syndicate
and speak of them in even more unsavory (though accurate) terms.
Unfounded Opinion #2:
Those which I've kept all relate to the always-hoped-for felony raids
of the sporgers and, lately, RelayPoint. The rest is interesting yet
not things which I can see some use for in the future. (I've been
trying to see if TNX discusses the sporgeries even in vague terms and
_if_ it does, RelayPoint could maybe be pulled into the net through
conspiracy. Always hopeful. RelayPoint would have to claim they some
how didn't know the content of the mailing list; that gets rather
difficult to do ___IF___ RelayPoint company officials subscribe to the
mailing list. It turns out that TNX is already heavily infiltrated to
the point where I've got to wonder whether there are any real
_Scientologists_ subscribed to it!)
<snort> No, I'd better not post it publically. }:-}
Unfounded Opinion #4:
The raw data collected on the sporgers could be matched with the
subscriber names and e-mail addresses of the TNX mailing list to
see if any of the known sporgers can be tied to those which aren't
known. The possibility that every single sporger is a subscriber to
the mailing list would doubtlessly interest a great many people --
newspapers, television, radio, and law enforcement agencies alike.
It's a damn shame we can't figure out which one of the subscribers
are working for the good guys, huh? We could send them e-mail
ourselves and, in any event, _ask_ for the information though I
would expect them to not tip their hands and divulge it to anybody
but other Federal officers.
> i suspect that given zed's research, kady's
Unfounded Opinion #5:
I've already got something rather close to that yet it's not very
comprehensive. I have software which is traditionally used by Federal
officers to track money, to see who are the controllers of an
organization to see where the money goes or comes from. It's not a
very good fit for the rest of the data that comes in, however. It
will identify the controllers of the sporgers, however, because the
software that tracks money so easily can also track telephone data.
Unfounded Opinion #6:
I've always wanted to see if anybody could expand upon the software
that I have such that it'll track and graphically display links and
connections between such symbolic data -- rather than numbers such
as I have. I would need to make sure that I'm allowed to release the
software yet I seriously doubt that would be denied to me inasmuch as
I wrote the fucker and the Dutch improved it to the point where mine
is obsolete.
> then you could run the whole database through something to report who
I'm willing to do some -- if not most -- of the software. I have a
good, solid platform to start with. The project would need to be
broken up into manageable fragments and then farmed out to
people willing to help. Somebody would need to coordinate the
effort and perform integration and testing. Finally, somebody would
need to be the central database depository responsible for performing
the data entry of all information which comes in.
Quite an effort. An _extensive_ effort. The kindof effort that people
lose sleep over and, once they can sleep, dream about. I don't know
if we have such dedicated programmers among us.
> i imagine there are people who have already done something similar to
Let's start a mailing list. Perhaps the creator of the other mailing
lists can be contacted and a new one covering the software development
so described could be started. We have a number of software engineers
around the world who already work to expose the syndicate.
If that mailing list comes up, I can describe the software that I have
and how it works and maybe we can take the design and simply start
coding from fresh.
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From: frice@raids.org (Fredric L. Rice)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:54:39 GMT
>
>> Scientology’s financial structure. He works at Lawrence E. May, a
>> Professional Law Corporation, 10100 Santa Monica Boulevard, Suite 800,
>> Los Angeles, California 90067-4012, telephone 310-203-0930, fax:
>> 310-203-0931, email: lemesq@aol.com, website: http://www.maylaw.com
> research, the research of the veritas crew, and all the issues of
> IMPACT and IAS lists people have gone through, not to mention usenet
> posts, TNX list posts, etc. that all this material could be put in an
> access database cross-indexed by name, address, phone number, known
> aliases, and known $$$ transactions.
> has most connections to what, what money has gone where, and other
> such interesting connections. while it's incomplete, i imagine, if
> all put together, that this is beginning to represent a "critical
> mass" of information from which one could begin.
> this privately. i bet there is enough data out there just in what's
> been posted to ars to start drawing novel inferences.
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