From heldal@online.no Fri Apr 30 18:02:16 1999
Many things IMHO, but here are some:
Based the text at:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
which is based on the book "The Demon Haunted World: Science
as a candle in the dark" published by Headline 1996.
Some comments, with Scientology in mind, when looking at a list
of suggested tools for testing arguments and detecting fallacious
or fraudulent arguments:
I've so far not seen any independent confirmation of the claims
offered in Dianetics or Scientology. And since it serves a lot
of rather extraordinary claims I would assume I could demand
some extraordinary evidence.
It is evident from the 50 year history of this "self-help
philosophy" and "religion" that it does _NOT_ encourage
substantive debate. It claims to be a "science of the mind"
but still seem to abhor any of the features that we usually
recognize science by. It does not offer access to the
results of the scientific study it claims to have been
based on, or even data on how it was conducted. Instead
of honestly facing criticism it either tries to ignore it,
or use tricks and foul play to attack the ones who asks the
difficult questions or oppose its claims. The maker and the
followers of Scientology has repeatedly been disclosed as
cheaters and liars, and they hope to get away with it by
threats and more lies.
All extraordinary claims in Dianetics and Scientology have one
thing in common; in the end all they have to show as real
reference is the authority of their creator, L. Ron Hubbard.
The Church of Scientology (CoS) has for many years invested a
lot in creating a saint-like image of Hubbard, but outside
CoS his posthumous reputation is very dark and shabby. He is
known as a pathological liar and charismatic con-man. With no
authority as a person, his claims hardly manage to stand by
themselves.
Dianetics and Scientology just isn't science.
You seldom see a follower of a cult looking for alternatives.
Why ruin a good thought or dream, some might ask. People are
different and some only seek something to believe, while others
want to know. It is an undisputable fact that humans are
able to believe in almost anything, no matter if it is true
or not. Probably most deep personal religious convictions has
their own unbeatable personal experienced evidence that will
survive most logical criticism and argument.
There is no rational argument that will convince a believer
that there are alternative explanations to their religious
experiences. Many in Scientology believe very strongly that
they too have such experiences - or many might just be
convinced they are worth waiting and training for.
I'll not go to deeply into this, but it shows me that there
are far better explanations to why some people imagine they
have past life memories from other galaxies. All weird claim
about "life, the universe, and everything" can't be true, not
all of them at the same time. Still all have their strong
believers. So the _only_ thing we actually have live proof of,
is that strong belief itself (even personal "proof") is any
guarantee of a belief or claim being right.
There is an obvious danger, especially, with religious
conviction; they often make you stop looking for alternatives.
You're supposed to submit and accept, there are things you
can't explain so it has to be these dead space aliens or
invisible gods who are behind it. Science will try to find a
way to prove a theory wrong by testing everything to try to
create a result that does not comply with what the theory
predicts. Religion has shown a tendency to only collect what
is in favor and work against anything that's not.
In my opinion one of the most important methods in a cult. In
the beginning you are served only what sounds best in your ears.
You are lured into investing your time and money into the cult
while they slowly weave their net around you. If you along the
way show any doubts those feelings are quickly handled as a
threat against all the values which you are supposed to want to
uphold. If you doubt Hubbard it is used against you suggesting
that you do not want to help save the human race, you do not
want to get well, you do not want others to get well, you are
destructive and so on. We are only humans, we can be manipulated
relatively easy. Soon you will base your existence and whole
future around the hypothesis of your group. Hubbard may not be
the Messiah, but looking at how he indirectly and directly runs
your life there isn't that big a difference.
At this level it is very hard to even try to think the thought
that the foundation of your whole life may be wrong. One would
most likely try to cling onto anything within reach to try to
convince oneself and ones surroundings, just to survive. In this
desperation ones mind is very able to play you tricks. What many
call "religiousness" I call mental instinct for survival.
Quantify proper scientific results. Personal experiences which
are impossible to verify or repeat is not scientific proof.
"There is a reactive and analytic mind because Hubbard said so and
I believe Hubbard knew best" is not a very good line of argument.
Hubbard was a disturbed person who may have believed all the
things he "saw" and with a charisma and talent to engage others
he managed to create an environment that attracted a few people
at some point in life. There are many much simpler hypothesis
that explains this phenomenon in a much better way than the one
that makes L. Ron Hubbard into a genius who could fly in space,
communicate with space alien spirits and alone discover things
about the human mind nobody else could.
The Occam's Razor separates the ones who want to believe and
those who want to know.
One can't demand that a religion should be falsifiable. But we
have different rules in science. That's why it just is plain
stupid when Scientologists talk about "science of the mind"
etc.
So what is the reply I get from Scientologists? They tell me to
try it first, then I can judge it. When I ask how much I must
try before it is legit for me to judge, or at least make a valid
opinion - they can't say. I know Scientologists who have spent
more that two decades studying Scientology and still they haven't
been shown everything. How can they be in a position to say if
Scientology works or not, if they haven't seen it all yet?
Would any Scientologist pay me 1,000 USD if I told them I had the
answer to "life, the Universe and Everything" and that was the
price to get a copy of it in leather binding? Don't judge me or
my book before you've read it. Read it and then see, if it is
what it promises then great! Don't listen to the ones saying I'm
kidding you, they don't know. They're just criminals and liars,
and you don't listen to such people? They want chaos and are
afraid that the truth in my book will create order and happiness.
BUY THE BOOK NOW!!!!
Not very likely. Not even a Scientologists would give me a dime -
even if they had one spare. Anybody who will not give me the
money admit that the scientology argument to try it yourself is
no argument at all.
Scientology is a scam. Scams are fragile and will crumble if
people dare to undress them. A threatening scam is of course a
harder nut to crack, but it will crack. History books of the
future will feature L. Ron Hubbard as one of the most remarkable
con-man of our century. Not because he was the biggest or most
successful, but because thanks to people like the critics on
the 'net, he's one they will have most available contemporary
information on. I also believe the 'Net vs. Scientology will
be an important event in the forming of the future 'net and free
speech.
A little prediction to end my rambling. :-)
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Some common fallacies of logic and rhetoric (from the above
mentioned page):
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Subject: What's wrong with Scientology?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:02:16 GMT
- Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation
of the facts.
- Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by
knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
- Arguments from authority carry little weight (in
science there are no "authorities").
- Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with
the first idea that caught your fancy.
- Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just
because it's yours.
- Quantify, wherever possible.
- If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain
must work.
- "Occam's razor" - if there are two hypothesis that
explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
- Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle,
be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test).
In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the
experiment and get the same result?
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