Discussion with a rambling scientologist
22 Jun 2003
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
Sometimes I get stuff like the following time wasting
ramblers. Anyway, it does not contain personal info:
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
I read your article against Scientology and I was
offended by your superficial way of looking at things.
I am sure you convinced your kids about it all.For me
and my friends it has work greatly and I have always
tried to disproof things of Scientology, with no luck.
I am certain now that L. Ron Hubbard was the best
researcher humand kind has seen.What you are is just a
looser trying to prove him wrong. Have you created
anything that works yourself? I don't think so.It is
easy to criticise, right?.Only time will tell who was
right and wrong.If any of what I said hurt you it is
not my fault.
A clean heath cannot be hurt(check yours)
I have professional friends that have become
millionaries using L.RH tech in their lives, so I have
no clue of what you are talking about bro. Now of
course if you were to work there they don't play , but
you have to understand that their purpose is the
sweetest, to set man free.
I am convinced your kids that left Scientology are
super loosers now.That is what happen to the weak
minded and ot ethic people.Sorry , but I am really
pissed off now.
Sincerely, x P.S If you offend Scientology you
are offending me.Plainly and simply you are very superficial.
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My reply:
Hi x,
At 17:26 20-6-03 -0700, you wrote:
>I read your article against Scientology and I was
Can you tell me which article you're offended by? I have thousands of
webpages and just can't guess which one you've read.
You asked a lot of questions and I'll try to answer them later. It is a
bit late in my country on the moment.
One thing I can say right now is that I am familiar that Hubbard
tried to make anti-scientology comments = with anti-scientologist
comments. For me that is not the same. I see and make a clear
distinction between the organization and its members (who often
don't know all Scientology does).
Sincerely,
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:46:45 -0700 (PDT)
I received your email.For your information I have OT
friends that are the sharpest people you have ever
seen.I am talking about professionals,
like:architects, scientist,electrical engineers
etc.These guys really know how to eveluate
information, believe me.
Well, it is not because of them I am in Scientology,
but because it has done wonders in my own life.I know
I have found the truth in it( I have no words to
explain how happy I feel)
It has been very hard for me in the beginnig because
of my out ethics. If you for any reason want out of
Scientology is only because of this.Maybe you need
some word clearing bro. It will do you very good. I
know medicine can be hard to swallow at times but it
does wonders and if anybody is dying of a painfull
disease it won't taste as bad.Any offense towards
scientology is an offense towards me and humanity. It
doesn't matter which article it is.The funny thing is
that there is a lot of critisism about Scientology ,
but nothing more than that. No corrections on LRH
research.
You are all losers trying to critisize with
no other solution or valid correction.Remember, the
first step of handling anything is to gain an ability
to face it.There must be a lot of facing you have to
do in your life before you can really deal with the
truth.Check yourself first.Truth can be hard to accept
at times, but is the only way out to happyness and
freedom and power and rationality and all that makes
this a beautifull world.I am actually crying right
now.You don't know how happy I am to have found
Scientology. I feel like I am reborn again and I feel
like I have to return the favor. I am very thankfull
to Mr. L.R.H ;it is an honor to read his books and use
the information.Have you written any books or have
done anything valuable besides critisizing what others
do?
The way I see it, anybody that discards L.R.H tech or
judges it with no correction must be very crazy.
And I don't believe in God.That really sounds like a
fairytale to me. I like to understand things,, like a
scientist does. And that is exactly what Scientology
has brought me, understanding.And with that, and only
that it has cured me, and is curing me.Yes, I am a
work in progress, but is a lot of fun. You should try
it.I hope you are corageous enough to do that.
Thank you. Sincerely, x
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My reply:
Hi x,
At 17:46 21-6-03 -0700, you wrote:
>disease it won't taste as bad.Any offense towards
It does matter to me. If you can't remember where the page was located
then tell me what did offend you; was it about children in scientology's
RPF, or scientology schools or something? So I can get an idea what you
took issue with.
I hate to remind you but you know what Hubbard said about generalities. Be
specific what you object to otherwise I can't explain why I made/webbed
that particular page.
I don't say the whole of scientology is bad either, but I do say that
children should receive education outside the Sea Org's cadet org, for
example. That is specific critism.
I am realy not trying to play smart here. Give me one point we can talk
about on a step by step basis and I will. But just jumping from here to
there, as you do, I am not going to follow you on that path. We began with
you feeling offended by something I made and now you're talking about OTs.
Well, I have a lot to say about 'OTs', LRH's 'research' and the
'technology' as well but first lets deal with the issue you were offend
by. Okay?
Take care
Mike
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:57:37 -0700 (PDT)
First of all what do you know about children besides
what psychologists say, nothing .
I would shut up if I was you if I didn't know what I
was talking about.Who are you anyway?A looser, that is
all. So recognize that and mend yourself
Thanx. Bye
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My reply:
Hello x,
At 19:57 21-6-03 -0700, you wrote:
>First of all what do you know about children besides
Hubbard said "communication is the universal
solvent". You act contrary to that.
I have remained polite throughout our brief communication but
you can't and have to get rude.
That's okay. I had hoped to have a nice discussion where we would swap
viewpoints. But then again many scientologists can't have discussions, as
I have discovered in emails received from them.
If that is what you wanted to learn in Scientology, not able to
communicate, you succeeded.
Take care. I will not bother you again unless you want to talk.
And don't take life so serious. There's enough to laugh about:
http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/fun/
Best
Mike Gormez
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
That is what you get for being an antisocial./
-=-
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http://www.whyaretheydead.net
From: x
To: mgormez@chello.nl
>offended by your superficial way of looking at things.
Mike Gormez
From: x
To: mgormez@chello.nl
>scientology is an offense towards me and humanity. It
>doesn't matter which article it is.
From: x
Subject: Re:
To: Mike Gormez <mgormez@chello.nl>
>what psychologists say, nothing .
>I would shut up if I was you if I didn't know what I
>was talking about.Who are you anyway?A looser, that is
>all. So recognize that and mend yourself
From: x
Subject: Re:
To: Mike Gormez <mgormez@chello.nl>
- Some books -
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