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while, Scientology "experts" refused to answer questions and
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also important to note that eventually the unfortunate "Greg
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RebaFan asked this question on 4/24/2000:
I read here that the Church has "forced labor reeducation
camps." I refuse to believe it! I can barely believe that Hubbard
was a Satanists, though I see that is true judging by the internet
articles I've read --- but forced labor camps?! That's just too
much to ask me to believe!
Greg Churilov again couldn't answer the question on 4/24/2000, saying:
Rebafan, your veiled attempts at discrediting my religion are silly
and obvious. And Mr. Hubbard was no more Satanist than you or me.
So skip the lies in the future.
Scientology doesn't have "forced labor camps". That would be nuts.
Scientology does have a special VOLUNTARY penance program for its
religious hierarchy leading a monastic life. This program is NOT
extended to lay people or the everyday parishioner. It is only
tology Religious Order known as the Sea Organization.
There's a good review of this inhuman Constitutional, civil, and Human
rights violation in a documentary called "Missing in Happy Valley."
This "Happy Valley" is a location near Gilman Hot Springs, located
near Hemet, California, that is where one of the more well known and
infamous gulags are located.
Also, one can see children being used as slave labor in the PRF in
photographs posted on the Internet - flr]
This program is called the Rehabilitation Project Force. It is a
great solution for rehabilitating the Church's monastic workers who
committed heavy enough infractions to be thrown out of the order,
but who ask for a second chance. The program consists of a daily
routine of eight hours of work followed by five hours of study and
counseling, followed by a good night's rest.
What this cultist doesn't mention is that when someone is put into this
prison, they're ordered not to talk and nobody outside of the prison -- or
the prision guards -- are allowed to talk to the inmates. And that includes
the children of victims sent to this prison! - flr]
Programs like these exist in any monastic community and Scientology
is no different.
I am not just quoting anyone, I personally participated in the
Rehabilitation Project Force. In my personal case family
responsibilities took priority and I regretfully left the order. It
was a sad moment for me, but I was ready for a more secular life.
I made some wonderful friends and had some spectacular personal gains
while on the RPF.
But I accept that it was a rigorous program and that some might view
it as a tough life.
However, here are some facts:
While in the RPF, I did get three excellent meals a day in the
Church's cafeteria (stuff like beef wellington, etc.); I had excellent
medical and dental coverage (I had a wisdom tooth act up), I got
plenty of rest as mandatory during the program (one needs to be well
rested to accept Scientology counseling or to attend study), and I
was treated fairly and with dignity and kindness.
Hubbard wrote that people imprisoned in these work camps were to be given
"short rations." If they incured additional disfavor with the
jailors, their rations were to be cut even more.
And note no mention of the fact that parents aren't allowed to visit their
own children while undergoing re-education - flr]
So if that is supposed to be some "camp", it failed miserably :-)
For me, it was a valuable spiritual experience, and I really with I
had allowed myself the time to finish the program. I know of several
friends of mine who stuck with it and today they occupy positions of
responsibility within the Church's management structure. I admire their
commitment. best, Sirit
Further facts
about this criminal empire may be found at
Operation Clambake and FACTNet.
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Subject: 'Reeducation camps?!' Huh?!
[In fact the criminal cult does. It's called the "Rehabilitation
Project Force" and it is a place where cult followers are sent when
they ask questions or, in some cases, talk about escaping the cult. One
can see a good review of this prison camp in the document
Brainwashing in the
Rehabilitation Project Force. This is a must read documents
that covers the cult's human-rights violations in detail - flr]
[That's a lie. The RPF is feared and hated by every cult follower who has been
in long enough to find out about it -- or get physically kidnapped and shipped
off for re-education. It's no where near "voluntary" any more than
drug pushers "voluntarily" send themselves to prison.
[More utterly profound lies. In addition to 12 hours of stoop-labor (usually
spent cleaning the cult's property) the cult also breaks the will of their
prisoners by making them run around flag poles, one hour clockwise, the next
counter-clockwise.
[Oh yes, Mormons and Jews all have prison work camps that followers get
sent to when they ask questions about their own religions. Sure! - flr]
[How utterly insane - flr]
[Notice the robotic, brainwashed, programmed response? You should. The
only way to get out of this prison is to write a statement listing all of
these "wins" and containing "confessions" which is
exactly what Pol Pot did to his political prisoners in his re-education
camps. Hubbard even wrote about using these brainwashing methods. So this
cultist was forced to write up these "big wins" in order to regain
his freedom. It's designed to reaffirm the brainwashing - flr]
[And that's utter nonsense. People who manage to escape from the cult
cover the activities that go on in these prison work camps quite differently,
offering the cult's own in-house documents as evidence otherwise.
[In fact, to judge by the brainwashed, programmed response, the re-education
camps were a resounding success in this case - flr]
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