Notice: Fredric Rice may have removed segments of the replies given to questions if they contained copoyrighted materials. After a very short while, Scientology "experts" refused to answer questions and started cut-and-pasting copyrighted cult propaganda. Additionally I removed URLs in some of the replies, and left them in others. And it's also important to note that eventually the unfortunate "Greg Churilov" cultist was ejected from askme.com for his typical Scientological behavior.

Anonymous asked this question on 4/18/2000:

I have seen web sites which claim L. Ron Hubbard said terrible things about women, blacks, and Catholics. Is it true, for example, that he said the lot of woman is to be fornicated and it is okay if they are raped? Why would he say such a thing? I asked a Scientologist about this and he said it was a lie, but the site that has the quote offers proof. What should I conclude? If L. Ron Hubbard did say these things, it would certainly affect my opinion of his church.

Greg Churilov gave this lie on 4/18/2000:

It is easy to character-assasinate any celebrity. It is easy to claim someone said the most vicious things, especially when the accused has passed away and can't defend himself. I could start the same rumors about ANY religious or political leader, and without having to prove anything I could spread poison around.

[Well, one could hardly consider Hubbard to be a "celebrity." He was certainly a con man and a fraud as is well documented in the numerous texts seized in various Federal raids through the years. And, contrary to what this cultist want to believe, his behavior was well known while he was alive. Indeed, the crook often ran from the law and once even had a number of Federal, local, and State officers raid one of the crook's many lectures so that he could be served. So no, the crook had plenty of time to "defend himself" while he was alive. He elected to run from the law instead -- for obvious reasons - flr]

No, Mr.Hubbard did NOT do any of the above. He also did not kill babies, eat human flesh, or throw stones at kittr drive an Edsel, or write bad checks.

[And that's a lie. It was in what Hubbard called his "affirmations" that he said that women were to be fornicated. But Hubbard has serious sexual dysfunctions to go along with his many mental problems - flr]

Either you are very naiive and have been listening to bigots and hate-mongers, or you ARE a bigot yourself, masquerading as an innocent. ALL valid truthful information on L.Ron Hubbard is at http://www.lronhubbard.org If you are NOT one of the sick bastards spreading lies and trash on the Net, then a) post your name instead of "Anonymous" and b) Give me an email address I can write to and I can answer your questions in detail.

[And in fact none of the cult's web sites contain any of the many wonderful documents that were seized by Federal officers which give the true picture of what Hubbard and his criminal cult were all about - flr]

Anonymous asked this follow-up question on 4/18/2000:

I don't see why you should sound so angry, especially at me. If there are people spreading lies, then I would like to know about that. You can send your answer to me at: Fergus75@excite.com

Thank You,
Robert W. Ferguson, Jr.

Greg Churilov took his medication and then gave this response on 4/19/2000:

Dear Robert:

I admire and appreciate your courteous and upfront response.

In response to "why am I angry?" I am angry because I am tired of bigots spreading lies abot my religion. And unfortunately a lot of people believe the lies instead of taking action like you have and asking further questions.

[And of course this cultist can't exactly point to any of these lies he wants to pretend are "spread" about his "religion." As for believing the truth about Hubbard, that's merely a matter of reviewing Hubbard's own writings - flr]

L.Ron Hubbard was a humanitarian and a philosopher.

[<laughing> Oh yes, he was a real Humanist. <rofl!> And in fact he was a con man and a screaming, bark-raving lunatic that formed a criminal empire with the sole purpose of rooking as many rubes out of every last buck he could lay his hands on. As for "philosopher," does being a pathological liar count? - flr]

He was also a mariner, a traveler, a scientist and a writer. You can learn about his life at http://lronhubbard.org He stood against Navy Intelligence when they wanted to re-enlist him and put his Dianetics research to use in covert operations in 1950.

He stood against Organized Psychiatry (the APA) in 1948 and many times since to denounce the barbarity or their "treatments" such as electric shock, drugs and lobotomies.

[Most madmen are rather paranoid when it comes to their own insanity. And in fact Hubbard's insane hatred and fear of psychology was due to the fact that he begged for mental help twice and was turned down. And when he came up with his own insane notions about psychology, the mental health industry ignored his insane claims totally. That pissed off the already unstable messiah - flr]

He stood against the Rhodesian Government by drafting a new constitution that would give blacks the vote in Rhodesia, and was thrown out of Rhodesia in 1966 because of it.

During the course of his lifetime, L.Ron Hubbard made many enemies. But he made millions of friends as well by standing up for principles that many of us believe important.

Having developed a philosophy that applied correctly markedly improves conditions for Man, he devoted the rest of his life to organizing and administering an organization that would safeguard and make available that philosophical know-how.

THAT is what Scientology is all about. Scientology is successful. Anything successful makes waves.

In the late 1970s there was a heavy power struggle within the organization, and a faction of corrupt individuals were expelled from the Church. They wanted to gain control of the organization for the old tired motives of power and money.

[These lies must be what the ringleaders are trying to make their remaining followers believe. In fact Hubbard and his fellow ringleaders were caught in numerous felonies and the crooks got raided by the Feds in the 1970's, resulting in Hubbard running out on the lam and 11 of these crooks winding up in prison. Hubbard and many of his fellow ringleaders were named as unindicted co-conspirators and the mad Hubbard himself would have been sent to prison if the Law could have laid their hands on him - flr]

They failed.

In the 1980's, these same individuals entered into an unholy pact with the enemies of Scientology, with a simple goal: Overthrow the current Church management, shut down the organizations, and pass all management onto the disgruntled apostates.

Greg is either insanely paranoid else he's been listening to his own cult leaders' bizarre rants. The only "enemies" of this criminal cult was the world's police. Hubbard liked to give himself a lot of pretend enemies because it made him feel important. Hubbard liked to plkay pretend that entire industries -- which include the mental health industry -- was all in a conspiracy to "get" L. Ron Hubbard. In fact Hubbard was totally ignored by all by the law enforcement agencies of the world - flr]

The plan was thwarted by a vigilant and alert Scientology Network.

[The cultist is lying. But he's probably unthinkingly mouthing off what his cult leaders have been programming him with. In fact the cult's management was successfully taken over by David Miscavage after Hubbard died from drug overdose. Miscavage forged a single document which put him in charge of the criminal empire after Hubbard died. Miscavage sent everyone who knew about the forgery to the cult's in-house prison -- the so-called "Rehabilitation Project Force" work camp at what's known as "Happy Value" near Gilman Hot Springs in Southern California.

Under David Miscavage, the cult's once-secret as well as publically reviewable documents underwent massive modification, removing much of what Hubbard dreamed up while totally stoned out of his head. Much of what Miscavage "squirreled" in the jargon of the cult was altered to remove massively embarrassing things that Hubbard said or wrote - flr]

Scientology gained stability and legitimacy in 1993 by receiving full Religious Recognition from the US Supreme Court, and full tax exemption from the IRS. This weakened our enemy's position.

[And that's a lie, too. Scientology's "enemies" are the law enforcement agencies of the world, Democratic governments, and the individuals who wish to make the cult pay for its crimes. This crininal organization has never -- and will never -- "gain stability and legitimacy" as this cultist so desperately desires since it is at core a criminal origanization - flr]

These people believe they have a LOT to gain by attacking Scientology.

[If it helps save one person's life, it's worth it. Saving people from getting killed, brainwashed, and rooked by these crooks is rather a lot to gain, yes.

If all of this cult's crooks had been imprisoned back in 1977 for life terms, and if Hubbard could have been found and imprisoned at the same time, along with David Miscavage, Keneth Moxon, and the other ringleaders, Lisa McPherson and many others would still be living today. She would have gained her life - flr]

When the Internet came along in the mid 1990s, these troubled individuals took it upon themselves to use this as a tool for a malagning and slander campaign. They spread vicious, obscene lies about the Organization, the Founder, and the individual members of our Church. They hide behind Free Speech. They seek to cause harm.

[And in fact none of these cultists are ever able to actually point out anything that people say about the organization that's any kind of lie. If there was slander involved anywhere, the criminal organization would at least be able to point toward the relevant statements and provide the truth which debunks them. In fact what one finds all over the Internet is backed up with court documents, Navy documents, documents seized in numerous raids against the cult in numerous countries - flr[

THAT is what makes me angry.

[Doubtful. What makes cult followers upset is having to hear the truth about their messiah with feet of clay. Greg's investment of money and emotion makes it rather difficult, I'm sure, to accept the truth - flr]

Hubbard's character can be found in his many many writings, in his devoted and committed life's work, and in his attitude to his wife Mary Sue and his children. I have personally worked with people who saw him interact with his family in East Grinstead, England in the 1960s and in the USA later on. They all spoke of a giving father and a loving husband.

[Another lie. The available court documentation show that Hubbard was married to two women at the same time, had routinely beat his wives, hated his homosexual son, and set his wife Mary Sue Hubbard up to take the fall for the "Snow White" felony operations.

And what's also informative is that this cultist is unthinkingly repeating what other cultists had told him, ignoring utterly the court records that are easily available all over the Internet - flr]

There are numerous articles by Mr. Hubbard about prenatal care, childbirth precautions, how to treat your children, etc. There are courses he developed for Marriage Counseling. His attitude towards women permeates all these writings, and is a compassionate, respectful and noble attitude.

[The cultist doesn't mention that Hubbard claimed that most women inflict abortions on themselves and that, according to his writings in a body of texts called Hubbard's "Affirmations," he believes that Woman's lot in life was "to be fornicated." The fact that Hubbard was an adulterer, drove his own son to suicide, and sent his own wife to fall on the Snow White rap speaks volumes that this cultist doesn't - flr]

L.Ron Hubbard's position towards african americans should be obvious from his work in Rhodesia before fighting Apartheid became "fashionable". And from his having appointed mmembers of all races into executive positions in his organization. He considered human beings to be spiritual beings, and the shape and color of the body to be inconsequential.

[And that's a lie. Hubbard complained that China had too many unwashed "Chinks" in it and Hubbard also demanded that "African American gentlement" were too unintelligent to register on a wheatstone bridge -- his insane "e-meter" device. Hubbard was a man of his decade and held the racist viewpoint that was common of his day, writing his racist viewpoints into his works, dying with them still held as unthinking ideals.

Even more disgusting, the Scientology crooks demanded that they had educated 1.5 million African children in response to the entirely accurate review of the criminal organization as published by Time Magazine. It was discovered by an individual in Australia who had contacted the African government directly that the claim was an absolute lie. The African government said, in part, "I'm afriad that's just another fabrication" on the part of the cult.

This cult harbors very racist attitudes and they form the basis in Hubbard's contemporary views - flr]

L.Ron Hubbard's attitude toward the Catholic Church can be gleaned from his Intefaith efforts, the foundation of the Religious Freedom Crusade and the official praise letters Mr. Hubbard received from the Pope's Envoy for his drug rehabilitation works (see http://www.narconon.org)

[And another lie. Hubbard's view of Christianity is that it was an "implant" and that Christianity started when "some madman discovered some R6." Hubbard was a Satanist and practices sex magic with Anton Levey.

Amusingly, Hubbard stole a vehicle from Levey when Hubbard fled from the law, eventually surfacing in England - flr]

It is much more work to disprove a lie than to spread a nasty rumor, but I hope all this has helped get some of the truth accross.

[This cultist only repeats what his leaders program him with - flr]

The best way that you can HONESTLY learn about Scientology is by visiting your local Scientology center. Please feel free to write again anytime. Spirit (Greg Churilov)

Further facts about this criminal empire may be found at Operation Clambake and FACTNet.

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