Notice: Fredric Rice may have removed segments of the replies given to questions if they contained copoyrighted materials. After a very short while, Scientology "experts" refused to answer questions and started cut-and-pasting copyrighted cult propaganda. Additionally I removed URLs in some of the replies, and left them in others. And it's also important to note that eventually the unfortunate "Greg Churilov" cultist was ejected from askme.com for his typical Scientological behavior.

Cynbad asked this question on 4/26/2000:

I didn't get the connection. Was someone murdered? By who? How is Scientology involved? Please experts if you answer a question, see if you can add the basics so that someone just walking in here can know what your talking about. I've heard nothing about Scientology and murders.

Greg Churilov gave this pathetic response 4/26/2000:

Nobody was murdered.

[In fact the Clearwater prosecution in this homicide felt that they could not get a conviction if they applied murder charges even though there is enough evidence now to warrant the charges.

As it is, the criminal organization is charged with two felony counts: Practicing medicine without a license (which the criminal organization has repeatedly been punished for over the past four decades) and the criminal neglect of a disabled adult.

It is extremely likely that the criminal organization would be up on murder charges had the prosecution known in 1995 what it knows now. The ringleaders responsible for killing Lisa all had to be given immunity from prosecution before they would sing. After they started telling the truth, the facts of the matter certainly warrant murder charges against some of them - flr]

The person you are referring to was a troubled and depressed lady in her mid-thirties who lived in Clearwater and engaged (on and off) in courses at the local Church of Scientology.

[And that's a lie that the cult's criminal ringleaders are programming their remaining followers with. In fact Lisa had been taking courses at the Ft. Harrison for many years and was working for a Scientology front company near by.

Only months prior to getting killed by the criminal cult she was pronounced "clear" by the cult -- something which is extremely expensive. The court records show that he was bilked out of $75,000 before they killed her and the court records also show that Scientologists raided her bank accounts after they killed her - flr]

Due to her erratic behaviour and her mood swings, local Church officials had already made note of her as a "potential trouble source" (someone who needs special attention and Ethics guidance).

[And that's a lie. He was labeled "PTS type 3" because she was telling the cult she was going to leave, had told a frield she was leaving, and was hinting to her family that she was going to surprise thgem by telling they she was going to leave, holding off telling them the good news as a surprise for her next visit home.

When she removed her clothes in public she became what's known in the criminal cult as a "PR flap." The cult's only solution was to kill her in accord to their mad messiah's "tech." Had the cultists responsible for this homicide been allowed to think for themselves, one of them, at least, would have refused to kidnap her and would have helped her escape so that she could get proper mental care - flr]

After some career problems she walked through the streets, and was going to be institutionalized. Since Scientology does not believe in Institutionalization they intervened, taking her instead to a local religious retreat where she was put on mild (over-the-counter) sedatives and a regimen of "plenty of rest, plenty of nutrition".

[And those are profound lies. She asked for help of paramedics who were in the area, asking to speak with someone who would listen to her. Since the paramedics wouldn't listen to her, she removed her clothes and started walking past the paramedics. The paramedics took her to a hospital for evaluation. Contrary to what this cultist claims, she was never going to be "institutionalized." The State of Florida doesn't have the Baker Act and couldn't "institutionalize" her even if they had wanted to.

Cult followers came to the hospital and checked her out against the recommendation of the medical doctors present. 17 days later the criminal cult delivered her body to a Scientologist doctor four hospitals away when in fact there was an emergency room half a block away from the Ft. Homicide Hotel - flr]

In some cases this method leads to the person snapping out of it and progressing back to a healthier condition. In Lisa's case she remained in a delusory state for a couple of days, and then suddenly developed a blood clot which created a medical emergency.

She was rushed into the local hopsital by Church staff members, but unfortunately they didn't make it in time and she arrived DOA.

[That's another amazingly insane lie. The criminal cult delivered her dead body to a hospital 45 minutes away when there was an emergency room less than half a block from the Ft. Harrison Hotel. The reason why they did this was because Lisa was killed inside of the Ft. Harrison Hotel and they wanted to have a Scientology doctor take her body to try to cover up the killing.

It wouldn't have mattered whether they delivered her body to the local hospital or whether they drove her dead body into the next state, however. She was long dead before they tried to hide her body with a Scientologist doctor - flr]

This is a very sad incident, but also an extremely rare one, and an incident that happened because of a person's fragile mind, some good intentions gone awry, and an unforeseen medical emergency.

[And that's completely wrong. If they would have just let her escape from the Ft. Harrison Hotel, they wouldn't have been able to kill her. And it's not at all as "extremely rare" as this cultist would have people believe.

In fact the "introspective rundown" ritual that they killed Lisa with has resulted in numerous deaths and people who have escaped from this torture have filed criminal charges against the cult in the past -- and they have won since they have the crook's own once-secret in-house policy directives written by the madman Hubbard to prove that such criminal, murderous behavior is a matter of policy - flr]

Tragic as this may be, it is unexcusable that Lisa's aunt, who prior to her death was a punitive and suppressive influence to Lisa, now is after MONEY for personal gain using Lisa as an excuse.

[And that's a lie. Inside of the Scientology cult, anyone who tries to help a family member escape from the cult is a "suppressive person" and as such the cult follower is ordered to "disconnect" from that family member.

Lisa had been talking about leaving the cult and, according to Hubbard policy, that automatically ment that she was insane -- PTS 3 in the jargon of the cult.

As for money, that's another lie. The only recourse for punishing the criminal organization which continues to kill people is to punish them where they live. With Scientology, Hubbard's primary goal is to "make money, make more money, help others to make money." The only possible way to punish these crooks is to try to take away the funds that the crooks use to kill people with - flr]

It is also inexcusable that a small band of anti-Scientologists are using this tragedy to further their own political agenda.

[Presumably that "small band of anti-Scientologists" include every law enforcement agency and news agency in the world. This cultist's response is a mirror of the insane paranoia that his mad messiah suffered from which included psychologists who are themselves being controlled by space aliens; the "Marcabian invasion fleet" that Hubbard came up with in his insanity - flr]

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