Notice: Fredric Rice may have removed segments of the replies given to questions if they contained copyrighted materials. After a very short while, Scientology "experts" refused to answer questions and started cut-and-pasting copyrighted cult propaganda. Additionally I removed URLs in some of the replies, and left them in others. And it's also important to note that eventually the unfortunate "Greg Churilov" cultist was ejected from askme.com for his typical Scientological behavior.

Subject: Scientific proof of reactive/analytical minds?
Answered by: Greg Churilov
Asked By: Truthseeker21

Truthseeker21 asked this question on 4/29/2000:

I have two questions.

Hubbard claims in Dianetics that every person has both a "reactive" and an "analytical" mind. What scientific proof is there of this claim?

Similarly, where is the "science" in Scientology? Scientific theories progress via a free market of ideas based on verifiable evidence, and subject to peer review of other scientist in the same field.

In reading Dianetics, there is no evidence provided for Mr. Hubbard's "theories", and it certainly has no peer review. No offense intended, but Scientology/Dianetics appears little more pseudo-science (fake science), just some crackpot ideas that can neither be proven true or false- thus they are not scientific by definition. I.e., ideas which are not objectively provable by logic and evidence as true or false are not scientific by definition.

Greg Churilov gave this lengthy lie on 4/30/2000:

Please note: This is a board on Scientology. Dianetics is a related, but separate field of study. Dianetics is not a religion.

[In fact there's no difference between Scientology and Dianetics. The criminal cult creates a lot of fake fronts and organizations to try to make it appear as though Scientology organizations aren't related.

Also, the cult's mad messiah -- L. Ron Hubbard -- was forced to rename Dianetics to "Scientology" because the FDA and other law enforcement agencies of the United States was coming down on his scams and trying to put a stop to Hubbard's frauds. The cult plays the name game to avoid the law and to deceive otherwise ignorant consumers - flr]

Scientific proof in the field of humanities is accumulated by people practicing the techniques and reporting their results.

[Translation: Cultists who fall for the frauds say it's scientific. In fact Hubbard's insane notions have been tested to the point where they leave the realm of testability and enter the realm of the insane. Claims that Hubbard and his cult makes that are testable have all been debunked through the application of science. All that's left is Hubbard's insane notions about invisible murdered space aliens -- which science doesn't address though a psychologist doubtlessly could. Hubbard -- and thus the criminal cult he created -- was a pathological liar - flr]

Since Dianetics was published, there have been millions of people all over the world who have utilized Dianetics and have written in with their results.

[In fact that's a lie: Cultists are ordered to write up what the cult's ringleaders call "wins" and they're not allowed to purchase the next level "up the bridge" that Hubbard sold them untl they write up these "wins."

What this cultist doesn't mention for some mysterious reason is that having cult followers make claims about Scientology/Dianetics isn't science... it's called "anecdotes" and it's something that con men use to bilk their rubes with - flr]

There is a series of 100 volumes called "Research & Discovery" where every advance in Dianetics is meticulously documented. There are also hundreds of lectures, recorded and videotaped sessions (done with the subjects permission for demonstration purposes) and several authoritative treatises written on the subject.

[What the cultist won't mention is that there's no scientific, peer- reviewed journal covering any research for any of the notions that the criminal cult likes to sell their rubes. All that the cult's ringleaders are left with is to make their remaining followers -- like this one -- unthinkingly spout off about anecdotal claims -- like any carnival huckster - flr]

Dianetics does not count with the support of the Psychiatric community. Dianetics OPPOSES most of the practices in modern psychiatry (see http://www.cchr.org)

[What the cultist doesn't mention is that the CCHR is a Scientology hate group that tried to keep its origins secret for a time. It's a hate group that targets the mental health industry -- and small wonder given the fact that their messiah twice begged the V. A. for mental help and was turned down. To make Hubbard even more insanely angry, the mental health industry totally ignored his insane notions about mental health. So no wonder the cult created a fake front group.

This cultist also doesn't mention the fact that Scientology believes the galaxy-wide Marcabian outer space conspiracy is in league with the world's mental health industry deliberately to keep humanity enslaved. Since Hubbard suffered serious sexual dysfunctions (see his own write-up which he called his "affirmations" fior the disgusting details) it's no wonder that this cult's mad messiah claimed that psycholohgists created sex to keep humanity enslaved. (Yes, you read that correctly. Hubbard claims that psychologists invested sex.) - flr]

Dianetics had plenty of peer review in 1950 when it was published, and it was first published by a publisher of books on the field of the Mind and mental Health.

[And that's utter and complete bullshit. When Hubbard first started trying to sell his insane notions to the ignorant and gullible populace, the mental health industry immediately evaluated his insane notions as those of a quack badly in need of the mental health industry. There has never been any scientific peer reviewed research that supports Hubbard's insane notions - flr]

Dianetics when first published took the US by storm and remained in the NY Times BESTSELLER list for OVER A YEAR.

[What the cultist "forgot" to mention was that the cult's ringleaders were caught ordering followers to continually purchase hundreds and thousands of copies of their mad messiah's books to keep them on the best selling lists. The fact that the crooks were buying their own publications and then returning them to the book store so that they could be purchased again has been covered in numerous magazine and newspaper articles.

Presumably this cultist -- and all of the other remaining followers -- aren't allowed to read newspapers - flr]

Spirit.

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NOTE: When you say "no offense intended" and then proceed to boldly throw insults, you make your intentions clear. This question is obviously NOT from someone seeking knowledge, but from someone seeking to throw mud.

Thus, I am including my usual little disclaimer.

TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC:

THIS QUESTION IS PART OF A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AIMED AT DISCREDITING MY RELIGION. IT INTENDS TO PROMOTE THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT SCIENTOLOGY IS A SOME SORT OF COOKY UFO CULT. I REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THIS NATURE. THE WRITER OF THIS SMEAR CAMPAIGN OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED.

...cuts of that insane lunatic, paranoid ranting again...

Truthseeker21 rated this answer a 1.

You didn't answer my question. There is no evidence or sources in Dianetics I wrote. If you didn't want to answer my question, you should have just said so instead of pigeon-holing me as having bad faith.

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