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Anonymous asked this question on 5/10/2000:

Desertphile, why do you object to this quote:

"Never fear to hurt another in a just cause." -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Creation of Human Ability (Code of Honor)"

while it is blatantly obvious that you are here to hurt the Church of Scientology in what you consider a worthwhile cause?

A Scientologist.

PS: If a gang mamber was about to rape your daughter, would you stand idly by in the name of pacifism, or would you "hurt another in a just cause"?

Desertphile gave this response on 5/10/2000:

Hi.

You have again dubbed into my comm that which was not there. I am not here to "hurt the Church of Scientology." I am here to expose its crimes, lies, and gross human rights abuses. THE VERY DAY IT CEASES SUCH THINGS IS THE VERY DAY I WILL CEASE CRITICIZING IT. If it acted like a church, the world would not be objecting to it.

Now to answer your question, re the word "Just."

Hubbard's "just cause" was not "just." It was evil. Mankind has never enbrased evil so eagerly as when they believed they were fighting for a "just cause." Look up Nazi Germany for one example. Look up the Crusades for another. Now look up the Burning Times (the Inquistions). Then consider Bonaparte and his conquest of Europe, the intended invasion of Ireland to "liberate" it, and his plans on invading England. ALL WERE CONSIDERED "JUST CAUSES."

Do you remember George Bush's "Operation Just Cause?" Thousands of people dead because their leaders threatened American economic expansion.

The madman Hubbard had the same ideas about the word "just." Consider the RPF's RPF.

When Elaine Wright told Hubbard she was going to kill herself, was he being "just" when he told her to go kill herself elsewhere and not on his property?

Now on to the word "harm."

One should ALWAYS fear to hurt others, even in just causes! The possiblility of excess is just far too great. The least force required must be applied.

Many causes are work being harmed and causing harm. Police officers are still heroes in my book. What seperates them from the pathological liar Hubbard is that police officers use harm as the last resort, and they are TRAINED to know when and how to use force when needed and not needed. Note that justice is not their venue: keeping the peace is. Justice is not the venue of law and order: it is the venue of judges and legislatures.

Finally, to address why I object to "Hubbard's quote."

I object to -HIM- stating it, for the reasons above. Justice was alien to him. He had no concept of justness; no concept of restraint in causing harm. What "just cause" was served by forging bomb threats in Paullete Cooper's name? What "just cause" was served by framing the mayor of Clearwater for homicide? What "just cause" was served when Lisa McPherson was held against her will and tortured to death for 17 days, and her body left for the bugs to feed off of?

Causing harm in a just cause must be left to those who know where and when harm is appropreate. Hubbard therefore disqualified himself. The Church of Scientology therefore disqualifies itself.

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Anonymous rated this answer a 1.

No, it didn't.

You are skirting the issue.

It is obvious even to a school child that your actions on this board would "hurt" scientologists and our religion. Yet in your self-righteousness you deem that allright.

You are applying a huge double standard.

If it is good enough for you to embrace as a crusade, to "hurt another in a just cause", then you should not criticize others for same.

Glass houses and stones, man.

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