Jesus Christ Savior in Scientology
Question answered by scientologist in Scientology
Anonymous asked this question on 9/12/2000:
do you guys have Jesus Christ in your hearts and in your
church?
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thank you.
scientologist gave this response on 9/14/2000:
Hi Anonymous,
Scientologists recognize that the bible is a holy work. The
church has no argument with the Christian belief that Jesus
Christ was the Savior of Mankind and the Son of God.
There are many forms of redemption. For Christ, it was
heaven.
A key maxim of our church is that Scientologists respect the
religious beliefs of others. We don't just "tolerate" them, we
respect them.
Hope this helps. If you need more info, please let me know.
:)
[ I'm posting on this board because if one wants to know
about carpentry, he should ask a carpenter (not a
"former/disgruntled" one). If one wants to know about
scientology, he should ask a practicing scientologist. ]
Anonymous rated this answer:
That's a Satanic lie. I already found out that a guy named
Hubbard who created Scientology was a Satanist who worked
with Jack Parsons to create a "moonchild" of Satan to try to
rule the world. I also found out that this Satanist hated Christ
and claimed He never existed.
I found a lot of anti-Christ saying by this Hubbard Satanist.
Here's just one example.
Why did you lie to me? Are you and every other Scientologist
Satanists like Hubbard?
o "Also the Christian church used (and uses) implanting.... They
took over the Nicene Creed before the year zero, invented
Christ (who comes from the crucifixion in R6 75M years ago, and
implanted their way to power" (HCO Bulletin, 23 September
1968, Class VIII).
scientologist gave this follow-up answer on 9/15/2000:
Gee "Anonymous"...you know, after reading the seeming
innocence of your original inquiry, and then the viciousness
of your reply to my answer, I can't help but think that your
original question was something of a set up. Hmmmm...?
I have no problem answering any "genuine" questions about
scientology anonymous. Your attack/reply sure had a lot of
lies in it. Seems like you're trying to appear as someone who
posts an innocent question just so that you can blast lies all
over the place and hopefully deter other people from finding
out what scientology REALLY is. But, I think your plan may
have flopped - any intelligent person could look at the
sequence of communication between you and I and see that
you attacked just a little to hard and swiftly. You blew your
own cover is what I'm trying to say. Now, if you'd REALLY
like some truth on scientology, I'd be more than happy to
provide you or anyone else with the real facts. But in the
mean time, playing silly and agumentative games like this are
a waste of your time, mine and the good folks sincerely
looking for some truthful answers to their questions.
Trying to label scientology as satanistic is about as silly as
saying that santa claus is a bad guy.
Anonymous asked this follow-up question on 9/15/2000:
you're a liar and Satan is the father if lies. i found dozens of
documents taken from scientology in the 1970s by cops in raids
on the internet. I also find allot of information about Hubbard,
scientology, and his Satanism.
You are a liar because you worship the father of lies.
o "There are gods above all other gods, and gods beyond the
gods of the universes." (Scientology 8-8008, pp. 72-3).
o "The whole Christian movement is based on the victim.... A
Scientologist is not a victim.... We can win by converting
victims. Christianity succeeded in making people into victims.
We can succeed by making victims into people" (HCO Bulletin,
18 July 1959).
o "Neither Lord Buddha, nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to
the evidence. They were just a shade above clear" (Ability, No.
81, 1959).
o Scientology claims that it alone "brings man to total freedom
and truth" (A Description of the Scientology Religion, p. 57).
Isn't this what Jesus died for?
o "It is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man
he must repent, that he is evil" (Professional Auditor Bulletin
[PAB] #31, 23 July 1954). "For all have sinned" is a Christian
ideal.
o "Nobody but the individual can die for his sins" (HCO Bulletin,
2 January 1960). Isn't this what Jesus died for?
o "It is a basic tenet of Scientology that man is basically
good.... Sin is composed... of lies and hidden actions and is
therefore untruth" (What is Scientology? p. 546).
o "Hell is a total myth, an invention just to make people
unhappy and is a vicious lie" (PAB #130, 15 Feb. 1958). Is L.
Ron Hubbard being punished for his sins against God even now?
o "Religion...being basically a control mechanism used by those
who have sent the preclear into a body. You will find the cross
as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an
implant in preclears millions of years ago" (PAB #31, 23 July
1954).
o In Scientology's Class 8 course, lecture 10, (3 October 1968)
Hubbard taught, "Somebody somewhere on this planet, back
about 600 B.C. found some pieces of R6, and I don't know how
they found it, either by watching madman or something. But
since that time they have used it and it became what is known
as Christianity. The man on the cross. There was no Christ"
(Corydon and Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? p.
362). [Note 1]
o "Also the Christian church used (and uses) implanting.... They
took over the Nicene Creed before the year zero, invented
Christ (who comes from the crucifixion in R6 75M years ago, and
implanted their way to power" (HCO Bulletin, 23 September
1968, Class VIII). [Note 1]
o Hubbard claimed that through "scientific research," not
opinion, he went to heaven. He wrote, "For a long while some
people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in
believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never
said that I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan, but there was
something very corny about heaven, et. al.... There was a
heaven.... Yes, I've been to Heaven. And so have you. You
have the pattern of its implants.... The Symbol of the crucified
Christ is very apt indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan
betrayed.... The place is so full of lies by implant that the preclear
becomes quite confused.... somebody discovered ...and utilized
them to install religious mania and pin thetans down to 'one
life' and planets" ("Routine 3", HCO Bulletin, 11 May, A.D. 13
[pub. 1963] pp. 1-3).
o "But I imagine when we finally manage to communicate with
beetles under rocks and free them, we'll no doubt find the
Creator of Heaven who 43+ trillion years ago designed the
Pearly Gates and entrapped us all. Good Lord, I'd hate to be
guilty of that overt" (Ibid., p.4)
o August Murphy, president of the Church of Scientology of San
Francisco wrote, "Another basic concept Scientology shares
with universal religious thought is reincarnation. Like Buddhism,
Hinduism, and early Christianity, Scientology believes that the
individual as an immortal being has assumed many bodies in his
evolution in the physical universe toward an ultimate realization
and freedom from material bondage" (The News-Herald, 27 July
1992 p. 5).
o Hubbard claims that reincarnation was a belief held by the
early Christian church and was removed by "four monks" at the
"synod of Constantinople" in 553 A.D. (Have You Ever Lived
Before This Life? p. 2).
o L. Ron Hubbard created an entire universal cosmology that
includes an evil Galactic Ruler named Xenu. He places humans
on other planets in the Solar System, including Mars and Venus.
He populates billions of planets in the universe with people. Do
they all have Jesus for their redemption? The Bible doesn't
mention any of them. (OT III, see http://www.xenu.net/)
o L. Ron Hubbard claims that Scientology can give people
supernatural powers including the power to heal the sick, both
body and mind. Hubbard also created a ritual he called "touch
assist" which is a Demonic version of the laying on of hands
which does not call upon God's power. (See The Road to Xenu,
by Margery Wakefield, for example.)
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