Jesus Christ Savior in Scientology

Question answered by scientologist in Scientology

Anonymous asked this question on 9/12/2000:

do you guys have Jesus Christ in your hearts and in your church? ] thank you.

scientologist gave this response on 9/14/2000:

Hi Anonymous,

Scientologists recognize that the bible is a holy work. The church has no argument with the Christian belief that Jesus Christ was the Savior of Mankind and the Son of God.

There are many forms of redemption. For Christ, it was heaven.

A key maxim of our church is that Scientologists respect the religious beliefs of others. We don't just "tolerate" them, we respect them.

Hope this helps. If you need more info, please let me know. :)

[ I'm posting on this board because if one wants to know about carpentry, he should ask a carpenter (not a "former/disgruntled" one). If one wants to know about scientology, he should ask a practicing scientologist. ]

Anonymous rated this answer:

That's a Satanic lie. I already found out that a guy named Hubbard who created Scientology was a Satanist who worked with Jack Parsons to create a "moonchild" of Satan to try to rule the world. I also found out that this Satanist hated Christ and claimed He never existed.

I found a lot of anti-Christ saying by this Hubbard Satanist. Here's just one example.

Why did you lie to me? Are you and every other Scientologist Satanists like Hubbard?

o "Also the Christian church used (and uses) implanting.... They took over the Nicene Creed before the year zero, invented Christ (who comes from the crucifixion in R6 75M years ago, and implanted their way to power" (HCO Bulletin, 23 September 1968, Class VIII).

scientologist gave this follow-up answer on 9/15/2000:

Gee "Anonymous"...you know, after reading the seeming innocence of your original inquiry, and then the viciousness of your reply to my answer, I can't help but think that your original question was something of a set up. Hmmmm...?

I have no problem answering any "genuine" questions about scientology anonymous. Your attack/reply sure had a lot of lies in it. Seems like you're trying to appear as someone who posts an innocent question just so that you can blast lies all over the place and hopefully deter other people from finding out what scientology REALLY is. But, I think your plan may have flopped - any intelligent person could look at the sequence of communication between you and I and see that you attacked just a little to hard and swiftly. You blew your own cover is what I'm trying to say. Now, if you'd REALLY like some truth on scientology, I'd be more than happy to provide you or anyone else with the real facts. But in the mean time, playing silly and agumentative games like this are a waste of your time, mine and the good folks sincerely looking for some truthful answers to their questions.

Trying to label scientology as satanistic is about as silly as saying that santa claus is a bad guy.

Anonymous asked this follow-up question on 9/15/2000:

you're a liar and Satan is the father if lies. i found dozens of documents taken from scientology in the 1970s by cops in raids on the internet. I also find allot of information about Hubbard, scientology, and his Satanism.

You are a liar because you worship the father of lies.

o "There are gods above all other gods, and gods beyond the gods of the universes." (Scientology 8-8008, pp. 72-3).

o "The whole Christian movement is based on the victim.... A Scientologist is not a victim.... We can win by converting victims. Christianity succeeded in making people into victims. We can succeed by making victims into people" (HCO Bulletin, 18 July 1959).

o "Neither Lord Buddha, nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the evidence. They were just a shade above clear" (Ability, No. 81, 1959).

o Scientology claims that it alone "brings man to total freedom and truth" (A Description of the Scientology Religion, p. 57). Isn't this what Jesus died for?

o "It is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man he must repent, that he is evil" (Professional Auditor Bulletin [PAB] #31, 23 July 1954). "For all have sinned" is a Christian ideal.

o "Nobody but the individual can die for his sins" (HCO Bulletin, 2 January 1960). Isn't this what Jesus died for?

o "It is a basic tenet of Scientology that man is basically good.... Sin is composed... of lies and hidden actions and is therefore untruth" (What is Scientology? p. 546).

o "Hell is a total myth, an invention just to make people unhappy and is a vicious lie" (PAB #130, 15 Feb. 1958). Is L. Ron Hubbard being punished for his sins against God even now?

o "Religion...being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the preclear into a body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an implant in preclears millions of years ago" (PAB #31, 23 July 1954).

o In Scientology's Class 8 course, lecture 10, (3 October 1968) Hubbard taught, "Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 B.C. found some pieces of R6, and I don't know how they found it, either by watching madman or something. But since that time they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the cross. There was no Christ" (Corydon and Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? p. 362). [Note 1]

o "Also the Christian church used (and uses) implanting.... They took over the Nicene Creed before the year zero, invented Christ (who comes from the crucifixion in R6 75M years ago, and implanted their way to power" (HCO Bulletin, 23 September 1968, Class VIII). [Note 1]

o Hubbard claimed that through "scientific research," not opinion, he went to heaven. He wrote, "For a long while some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never said that I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan, but there was something very corny about heaven, et. al.... There was a heaven.... Yes, I've been to Heaven. And so have you. You have the pattern of its implants.... The Symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed.... The place is so full of lies by implant that the preclear becomes quite confused.... somebody discovered ...and utilized them to install religious mania and pin thetans down to 'one life' and planets" ("Routine 3", HCO Bulletin, 11 May, A.D. 13 [pub. 1963] pp. 1-3).

o "But I imagine when we finally manage to communicate with beetles under rocks and free them, we'll no doubt find the Creator of Heaven who 43+ trillion years ago designed the Pearly Gates and entrapped us all. Good Lord, I'd hate to be guilty of that overt" (Ibid., p.4)

o August Murphy, president of the Church of Scientology of San Francisco wrote, "Another basic concept Scientology shares with universal religious thought is reincarnation. Like Buddhism, Hinduism, and early Christianity, Scientology believes that the individual as an immortal being has assumed many bodies in his evolution in the physical universe toward an ultimate realization and freedom from material bondage" (The News-Herald, 27 July 1992 p. 5).

o Hubbard claims that reincarnation was a belief held by the early Christian church and was removed by "four monks" at the "synod of Constantinople" in 553 A.D. (Have You Ever Lived Before This Life? p. 2).

o L. Ron Hubbard created an entire universal cosmology that includes an evil Galactic Ruler named Xenu. He places humans on other planets in the Solar System, including Mars and Venus. He populates billions of planets in the universe with people. Do they all have Jesus for their redemption? The Bible doesn't mention any of them. (OT III, see http://www.xenu.net/)

o L. Ron Hubbard claims that Scientology can give people supernatural powers including the power to heal the sick, both body and mind. Hubbard also created a ritual he called "touch assist" which is a Demonic version of the laying on of hands which does not call upon God's power. (See The Road to Xenu, by Margery Wakefield, for example.)

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